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pkang0202

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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: Americans: A Briton's; British man's; Brit's;Perspective |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/03/books/review/Dyer-t.html
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| The first thing I ever heard about Americans was that they all carried guns. Then, when I came across people who�d had direct contact with this ferocious-sounding tribe, I learned that they were actually rather friendly. At university, friends who had traveled in the United States came back with more detailed stories, not just of the friendliness of Americans but also of their hospitality (which, in our quaint English way, was translated into something close to gullibility). When I finally got to America myself, I found that not only were the natives friendly and hospitable, they were also incredibly polite. No one tells you this about Americans, but once you notice it, it becomes one of their defining characteristics, especially when they�re abroad. ..... |
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Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Seoul yo
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Since when did we become a uniform group of people?
I think people back home are often as similar to each other as Koreans and Maori tribesmen.
I'm glad though, for once, to hear something from British folks about Americans that isn't negative and/or ludicrously stereotyped (in a bad way). |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
Since when did we become a uniform group of people?
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Title changed to prevent any confusion. |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| How many Britains are there? |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| How many Britains are there? |
Sheesh, title changed again. Not like it matters, no one is reading the whole article anyways. |
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beercanman
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| Pretty good article. |
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kinerry
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| The American bashing around this area really does get old after awhile. It seems to be the non-Americans way of bonding. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Writing about 'Americans' without pointing out that Americans are a extremely diverse collection of hundreds of different sub-cultures who vary wildly in their lifestyles, values and opinions, is useless. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
| Writing about 'Americans' without pointing out that Americans are a extremely diverse collection of hundreds of different sub-cultures who vary wildly in their lifestyles, values and opinions, is useless. |
Yes, but as the article says, "everyone is agreed on the premise that America is better than anyplace else"
Also, we are a bit like country bumpkins when it comes down to it |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Yes, but as the article says, "everyone is agreed on the premise that America is better than anyplace else"
Also, we are a bit like country bumpkins when it comes down to it |
You do realise that the everyone you have quoted is referring only to Americans. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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It's a pleasing article, to be sure. But there are some inconsistencies -- mostly referring to what other posters have all ready said (about abundant diversity) and my own experiences.
First of all, I shall say, no matter where you go, Americans on the whole are very polite. Especially the South.
However, where I come from, many people are carrying guns. The rest have them at home.
As Heinlein said (paraphrased): An Armed society is a polite society.
I like being American.
But like many writers, his ego consumes his world. He views Bush as a reviled, outcast leader who everyone unifies in hating. He was elected by a majority. In my neck of the woods a lot of people liked Bush. His visits to Africa were seldom met with protests but massive parades. He did give more aid on the whole and more physical aid than any other president (malaria nets and condoms won't fit in Swiss bank accounts).
If you think lefty Urbanites hated Bush, you should hear the opinion of Obama around here... It's pretty brutal. And like the lefty Urbanites to Bush, they only talk about the things they disagree with (or aren't perfect enough for them) and never mention the good the president does. They blame him for compromising instead of sticking to an iron-clad conservative political theme. I could only imagine the amount of exploding heads if Obama actually did something they wholly agreed with. It's impossible, though, because they don't even agree with each other. (And nobody agrees with me... I'm too conservative for them .)
A good, light read, all though I was waiting for a point.
It can be summarized as this: "Although the United States is the wealthiest, most powerful, and most successful civilization throughout human history, Europeans still think they're better than them. But, hark!, what is this? Be it true, this mighty thing? They're not all rude, obnoxious, have three eyes, and incinerate the poor with fireballs flung from their arse?"
You have to give the British one thing: They can deliver even an obviously left-handed compliment quaintly and pleasantly. No surprise the NYT jumped all over it. |
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JMO

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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Except for two gormless girls from upstate New York(they believed literally everything I said), who I knew in University, my first american friends were made in Korea.
At first I thought they were a very fake, then a little fake and then finally settled on just really nice. The americans (and canadians) i've met aren't as cynical, sarcastic or as sharp as brits, irish, aussies or kiwis. They are also not as funny however but that is to be expected. |
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calicoe
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
Yes, but as the article says, "everyone is agreed on the premise that America is better than anyplace else"
Also, we are a bit like country bumpkins when it comes down to it |
You do realise that the everyone you have quoted is referring only to Americans. |
Right, and you do realize that said quote is actually a Brit's, based on what he thinks Americans are thinking. |
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Bloopity Bloop

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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| JMO wrote: |
At first I thought they were a very fake, then a little fake and then finally settled on just really nice. The americans (and canadians) i've met aren't as cynical, sarcastic or as sharp as brits, irish, aussies or kiwis. They are also not as funny however but that is to be expected. |
This is a joke, right? |
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Sleepy in Seoul

Joined: 15 May 2004 Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| calicoe wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
Yes, but as the article says, "everyone is agreed on the premise that America is better than anyplace else"
Also, we are a bit like country bumpkins when it comes down to it |
You do realise that the everyone you have quoted is referring only to Americans. |
Right, and you do realize that said quote is actually a Brit's, based on what he thinks Americans are thinking. |
Yes, I do. And did. Thank you for asking. |
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