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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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No, what I want is for my co-teacher to discuss lesson plans with me, to tell me if she wants me to prepare anything beforehand with sufficient time so that I can carry out such tasks. This is how the co-teaching "system" was described to me when I first agreed to take the job. I don't want to be asked 2 minuites before class
I am supposed to be teaching part of each class, at least that's the way it was explained to me. The KTs at my last school had no problems allowing me to teach parts of the class, I don't understand why this particular teacher has such an issue with it.
I am not asking to take over the class or make vast leaps away from the curriculum. I am asking to be allowed to at least TRY do come up with a few activities to compliment the present curriculum.
If the the co-teacher feels I've gone too far astray she could say so and we would skip the activity.
I just want her to start doing her job correctly so that I can do mine.
At present, she asks me to do nothing other than pronunciation practice or ask a couple of questions about the video sections.
Incidently, I've talked to other Korean teachers about this. Not teachers from my school, but from other schools in Busan etc and they are appalled by what they hear.
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Stalin84
Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
Incidently, I've talked to other Korean teachers about this. Not teachers from my school, but from other schools in Busan etc and they are appalled by what they hear. |
They're always appalled when you tell them about it, yet so many of them do it... I really don't understand this.
90% of foreign English teachers have co-teachers like this, yet when we tell other Korean teachers about their behaviour they're always so surprised and embarrassed. Am I missing something, here? |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
No, what I want is for my co-teacher to discuss lesson plans with me, to tell me if she wants me to prepare anything beforehand with sufficient time so that I can carry out such tasks. This is how the co-teaching "system" was described to me when I first agreed to take the job. I don't want to be asked 2 minuites before class
I am supposed to be teaching part of each class, at least that's the way it was explained to me. The KTs at my last school had no problems allowing me to teach parts of the class, I don't understand why this particular teacher has such an issue with it.
I am not asking to take over the class or make vast leaps away from the curriculum. I am asking to be allowed to at least TRY do come up with a few activities to compliment the present curriculum.
If the the co-teacher feels I've gone too far astray she could say so and we would skip the activity.
I just want her to start doing her job correctly so that I can do mine.
At present, she asks me to do nothing other than pronunciation practice or ask a couple of questions about the video sections.
Incidently, I've talked to other Korean teachers about this. Not teachers from my school, but from other schools in Busan etc and they are appalled by what they hear. |
Then just do that and collect your paycheck. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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And many of us are forced to do just that.
Don't you see room for improvement here?
Other than threatening to blacklist foreign teachers? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Some paranoid, unreasonable part of me even suspects that the government is moving all foreign teachers into the public school systems so that they can control them better, and eventually expunge them completely from Korean society.... |
Except that ALL teachers don't work at public schools. Hakwons will always be able to have foreign teachers. Those teachers NOT on a E-2 visa have other options such as working at a company or opening their own schools. And if the government wanted to expunge foreign teachers from Korean society, they would stop offering such visas. |
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son of coco
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Or would you not give your "assistant" any feedback, not tell them anything of what was expected, not include them in any planning?
And then say things like the reason you don't work well together is because the "assistant" lacks a full teacher certification? |
I definitely agree that this will be one of the major problems in implementing a system like the one they're talking about.
If they had a solid support structure for incoming teachers who are new to the job then things would be fine. But what they're basically saying is "we're going to judge your performance within a system that doesn't function properly and in some cases hinders the development of teaching methods and ability due to outside influences...and if it's not working then it'll be your fault".
It'll just be another system set up that does its intended job poorly.
I gathered from my last position at a public school that 'saving face' means pointing the finger at the foreign bloke when something goes wrong. How many times does this have to happen before you get blackbanned and what recourse do you have to appeal a decision based on misinformation? My guess would be none, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see.
I've just taken up a position at a hagwon and the intiation is the same. Fortunately, after working at the public school for the year and some limited hagwon experience I have some ideas for activities, but if it was my first teaching experience then yet another teacher would be swinging in the breeze trying to work out what the hell they were supposed to be doing with little to no help from the school.
I'm starting to think it's endemic. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| It is endemic. |
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sojusucks
Joined: 31 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Think about it. Who is going to get blacklisted? FTs who work at bad schools and those who refuse to re-sign for another year. That's seen as some sort of betrayal. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| some waygug-in wrote: |
No, what I want is for my co-teacher to discuss lesson plans with me, to tell me if she wants me to prepare anything beforehand with sufficient time so that I can carry out such tasks. This is how the co-teaching "system" was described to me when I first agreed to take the job. I don't want to be asked 2 minuites before class
I am supposed to be teaching part of each class, at least that's the way it was explained to me. The KTs at my last school had no problems allowing me to teach parts of the class, I don't understand why this particular teacher has such an issue with it.
I am not asking to take over the class or make vast leaps away from the curriculum. I am asking to be allowed to at least TRY do come up with a few activities to compliment the present curriculum.
If the the co-teacher feels I've gone too far astray she could say so and we would skip the activity.
I just want her to start doing her job correctly so that I can do mine.
At present, she asks me to do nothing other than pronunciation practice or ask a couple of questions about the video sections.
Incidently, I've talked to other Korean teachers about this. Not teachers from my school, but from other schools in Busan etc and they are appalled by what they hear. |
Than that means you have a bad co-teacher. Nothing more nor is it applicable to other schools.
But your concerns are valid and the situation would be frustrating.
My advice, keep trying with your co-teacher and if it remains this way...bide your time and change jobs when your contract is up or quit now and move to a different job.
Son of coco,
Many teachers get tossed in the shark tank with little or no guidance in Korea. That is sad and a bad method by the schools who do this.
But inexperienced teachers are often not teachers at all but rather people wishing to travel and see asia while paying back debts. That makes the adjustment that much harder (Korea does this by the way it selects teachers...read very low requirements).
The fact Hakwons lack regulations exacerbates this phenomenon.
Finally a new teacher will always have growing pains once he or she hits the wall of classroom reality. That wall is there even harder when the teacher has no classroom management training and little to no qualification to teach beyond being a native speaker. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:52 am Post subject: Evaluations |
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| The lawyer keeps on urging me to sue Kim Bo Mi and Immigration. |
I'd consider suing Kim Bo Mi, but not Immigration. You need them onside in the long run. Is it possible to lodge a joint lawsuit with Immigration against Kim Bo Mi, for frivolous, vindictive & misleading information supplied by her to Immi?
hellofaniceguy: India is the biggest English speaking country in the world, & English is widely used there, as a lingua franca. However, having said that, the heavy accent would confuse most Koreans. It even confuses me sometimes! So for different reasons, I am in agreement that drawing native speakers from India is not a good idea, regardless of its cost effectiveness.
In this entire thread, only one other poster (son of coco) touched on the very real Confucian ethic, of Koreans sticking together, & blaming the foreigner, rather than accept any responsibility whatsoever, on an individual level, when things go awry. That would be a fundamental flaw in any evaluation process. No Korean would be prepared to stick their neck out in a support of a foreigner when the group mentality dictates otherwise. This, in addition to any transparency in evaluations, & the lack of legal safeguards, such as anti-discrimination (age, race, religion, gender), FOI, Judicial Review processes, etc, which are widely available in Western countries, but not in Korea. |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Honestly I can't imagine immigration banning someone for life based on a bad work review. We are talking about the same immigration that only bans you from the country for one year if you are caught redhanded working illegally. |
And Draz what happened to you? Where are you now? Not saying you were working illegally, just asking where you are. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Honestly I can't imagine immigration banning someone for life based on a bad work review. We are talking about the same immigration that only bans you from the country for one year if you are caught redhanded working illegally. |
And Draz what happened to you? Where are you now? Not saying you were working illegally, just asking where you are. |
She was planning on studying engineering in Germany last I heard.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=206667&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Old news. A bad co teacher can try to non renew you unless you can go to the Provincial Education Office and explain your case. If you have years of good service, I'd suggest going in and arguing your case. But they certaintly can't do anything with immigration. Immigration doesn't care. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| But, I think, with discipline issues of students, unruly parents, etc, K teachers have higher concerns than us most of the time. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| [On a side note, I thought the other post mentioning racism was interesting. When will this type of thing change? When will Korea realize that they are trying to emulate Western culture? How did we manage to get pushed to the back of the bus? |
This is one thing that drives me nuts about Korea. Its modernity - in its entirety - is a Western product. Without the West this country would still be in the stone age. It contributed nothing to its own modernity - except learning how to copy the West. They invented nothing, and have contributed nothing to humanity's combined accumulation of knowledge. Not a single invention of note. Not a single nobel prize - not even a nomination. It's all from the West. Yet they engage in demonizing Westerners in Korea, engage in anti-American rhetoric, and generally show incredible ingratitute for all that the West has handed to them....Sometimes I wish I had a magic wand. I'd wave it and return Korea to its pre-Western contact days. Just for one day. That would knock some of the arrogance out of them. |
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