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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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 Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:59 am Post subject: U.S. War Vetern Goes to Jail for Making Violent Rap Song |
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Marc Hall AKA Watercus, made a rap song to express his anger at being sent back to Iraq after already serving a 14 month tour. The army used a practice called stop-loss to redeploy him. Now he sits in a Georgia jail for misconduct.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0LHtgzqTo0
You can hear the whole song here:
http://www.couragetoresist.org/x/
Hmm? I don't know what to make of this. Jail? I think maybe they should have fined him. I don't think you're a criminal if you express your opinion.
But maybe he deserved something because I think as a soldier, when you sign a contract with the military, you pledge loyalty.
I don't know. What are your opinions? |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Army soldier specialist Marc Hall based at Fort Stewart, Georgia has been jailed after being accused of threatening his fellow soldiers in a rap song!
Iraq war veteran Marc Hall has been in custody since December for allegedly writing a rap song against the Army�s controversial stop loss policy and mailing it to the Pentagon. The stop loss policy makes it legal for the army to extend a soldier�s deployment or service beyond their designated time in the military. Hall posted the song on the Internet and in the lyrics he threatened to kill Colonels, Captain�s, Kernels, E-7�s and above, using his M4 assault rifle if he was sent off for another tour in Iraq.
Army officials have charged Hall for conduct prejudicial to the good order, discipline of the Armed Forces, and threatening violence on multiple occasions.
Marc Hall�s lawyer says lyrics should not be taken literally. |
According to this article from hiphoprx.com he specifically threatened to kill certain people. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| No one forced hime to join the military, he was not drafted, he signed up. Having said that, he knew what he was getting...now he does not like it, does not care for the lifestyle, etc...he needs to suck it up and be a man until his enlistment is up...but making a song as he did....is only going to get himeself into trouble... |
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soakitincider
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| freedom of speech, as long as you say the right thing................ |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The military doesn't take kindly to insubordination. Guess they have to make an example out of him... |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Throw the little wus in the brig! He'll wish he were in Iraq if he goes there |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| His song is threatening. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| No one forced hime to join the military, he was not drafted, he signed up. Having said that, he knew what he was getting...now he does not like it, does not care for the lifestyle, etc...he needs to suck it up and be a man until his enlistment is up...but making a song as he did....is only going to get himeself into trouble... |
Yeah, but I know of no other job that hires you and won't let you quit.
Plus, I imagine, no one really knows what their really in for when they join the military. A lot of soldiers come back screwed up mentally because of the insanity they see.
Given the pressures that the soldiers are under, you'd think that if the gov really cared about them, there'd be an opt out clause at the end of their first term of duty.
I think the guy was just letting out steam. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| As much as I sympathize with the message of his song, he crossed the line by using lyrics that constitute a direct threat to the mlitary, and by extension the federal government; stupid anyway you dice it, but especially in these times. |
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Lunar Groove Gardener
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Stop loss is wrong. |
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dharma bum
Joined: 15 Jun 2004
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| No one forced hime to join the military, he was not drafted, he signed up. Having said that, he knew what he was getting...now he does not like it, does not care for the lifestyle, etc...he needs to suck it up and be a man until his enlistment is up...but making a song as he did....is only going to get himeself into trouble... |
Many people join the military because they feel like they have no choice. Many people are enlisting (or re-enlisting) because they can't afford health insurance, for example. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Major Nidal Hassan. Fort Hood.
In that event's aftermath, did not many subject the military to a great deal of heat about not reading the signs and intervening before he went on his rampage?
Now we have the other side of the coin and people will be subjecting the military to another round of heat about civil liberties (which do not exist within the military justice system exactly as they do in the civilians' law).
Damned if they do and damned if they do not, huh...? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Major Nidal Hassan. Fort Hood.
In that event's aftermath, did not many subject the military to a great deal of heat about not reading the signs and intervening before he went on his rampage?
Now we have the other side of the coin and people will be subjecting the military to another round of heat about civil liberties (which do not exist within the military justice system exactly as they do in the civilians' law).
Damned if they do and damned if they do not, huh...? |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| All-volunteer army my ass. |
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