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Gopher

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: More Republican Racism... ;) |
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WASHINGTON -- The Republican Party chairman on Sunday accused Democrats of applying a double standard by accepting Sen. Harry Reid's apology for racial remarks about Barack Obama instead of demanding Reid's ouster as majority leader.
In a private conversation reported in a new book, Reid described Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign as a "light-skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
Reid apologized to Obama on Saturday, and the president issued a statement accepting the apology and saying the matter was closed.
Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele, in appearances on two Sunday television news programs, compared Reid's predicament with the circumstances that led Senate Republican leader Trent Lott to step down from that post in 2002. Lott had spoken favorably of the 1948 segregationist presidential campaign of Strom Thurmond, and in spite of apologies for those remarks at Thurmond's 100th birthday, Lott was forced out as leader.
"There is this standard where the Democrats feel that they can say these things and they can apologize when it comes from the mouths of their own. But if it comes from anyone else, it's racism," said Steele, who is black. "It's either racist or it's not. And it's inappropriate, absolutely..." |
The title probably caused you to rub your hands together and prepare to pounce, no? Sorry to let you down.
Why do Democrats and liberals get to talk about "light-skinned African-Americans with no Negro dialect" and "wise Hispanic women" and get off quickly and quietly while everytime a Republican says something similar we hear, to no end, how the entire Republican party is racist as are all of its grassroots supporters?
Hypocrisy, that is why.
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject: Re: More Republican Racism... ;) |
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Gopher wrote: |
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WASHINGTON -- The Republican Party chairman on Sunday accused Democrats of applying a double standard by accepting Sen. Harry Reid's apology for racial remarks about Barack Obama instead of demanding Reid's ouster as majority leader.
In a private conversation reported in a new book, Reid described Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign as a "light-skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
Reid apologized to Obama on Saturday, and the president issued a statement accepting the apology and saying the matter was closed.
Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele, in appearances on two Sunday television news programs, compared Reid's predicament with the circumstances that led Senate Republican leader Trent Lott to step down from that post in 2002. Lott had spoken favorably of the 1948 segregationist presidential campaign of Strom Thurmond, and in spite of apologies for those remarks at Thurmond's 100th birthday, Lott was forced out as leader.
"There is this standard where the Democrats feel that they can say these things and they can apologize when it comes from the mouths of their own. But if it comes from anyone else, it's racism," said Steele, who is black. "It's either racist or it's not. And it's inappropriate, absolutely..." |
The title probably caused you to rub your hands together and prepare to pounce, no? Sorry to let you down.
Why do Democrats and liberals get to talk about "light-skinned African-Americans with no Negro dialect" and "wise Hispanic women" and get off quickly and quietly while everytime a Republican says something similar we hear, to no end, how the entire Republican party is racist as are all of its grassroots supporters?
Hypocrisy, that is why.
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No, I wasn't ready to pounce. I was thinking the same thing. Racism is not only a problem in the GOP, but also amongst democrats. Granted, people in the KKK never felt comfortable voting for the democrats I will say there is plenty of hypocricy in the democratic party. Obviously, people will want to protect Reid. I don't think Reid had bad intentions.
He wasn't trying to insult Obama based on his race. He's an old man.
He said basically that Obama doesn't fit the stereotypes people have of many African Americans including their leadership and he is very eloquent and the fact that he is mixed would make him palatable on both sides, but he had a horrible choice of words there. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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"But if it comes from anyone else, it's racism," said Steele,..." |
Yeah, Honest Injun! (Or is it Honest Engine?) That 'boy' Michael Steele really knows how to tell it like it is: Republicans are the victims yet again.  |
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kabrams

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Location: your Dad's house
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't understand this dichotmy of democrat-republican non-racist/racist. I mean, both parties have racist members...of all skin colors.
I mean, blue collar democrats can be some of the meanest, most racist people out there. Let's not forget some of the dumb stuff Biden said before he became Obama's running mate. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We�re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over the years, either." (Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott Dec. 5, 2002)
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quoted from John Heileman and Mark Halperin's 'Game Change', p. 37:
"encouragement of Obama was unequivocal. He was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one," as he said privately. Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination."
Yep. Those battling quotes are exactly the same thing.
(A more interesting Sunday morning show topic would have been: Will Michael Steele keep his job? Should he?) |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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The title probably caused you to rub your hands together and prepare to pounce, no? |
I think you'll have to start a new account if you hope to get a reaction like that. Sometimes I start threads with titles like "why do we spend so much money on space?" but they never turn out to be rants on spending too much money on space.
As for Obama, he seems to accept pretty much every apology he receives. Joe Wilson, the founder of BET, Jesse Jackson, Harry Reid, Clinton during the primaries, etc. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I ran out of time earlier. I wanted to attach an example of what Trent Lott was refering to when he praised Strom Thurmond:
One 1948 speech, met with cheers by supporters, included the following:
� I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigra race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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kabrams wrote: |
...both parties have racist members...of all skin colors.
I mean, blue collar democrats can be some of the meanest, most racist people out there. Let's not forget some of the dumb stuff Biden said before he became Obama's running mate. |
Nicely said and cheers. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Nice quotes, Ya-ta. Back from George Wallace and the rest of the Dixiecrats' days, right?
You have such an admirable and honest grasp of American history when it comes to racism.  |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: More Republican Racism... ;) |
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WASHINGTON -- The Republican Party chairman on Sunday accused Democrats of applying a double standard by accepting Sen. Harry Reid's apology for racial remarks about Barack Obama instead of demanding Reid's ouster as majority leader.
In a private conversation reported in a new book, Reid described Obama during the 2008 presidential campaign as a "light-skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
Reid apologized to Obama on Saturday, and the president issued a statement accepting the apology and saying the matter was closed.
Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele, in appearances on two Sunday television news programs, compared Reid's predicament with the circumstances that led Senate Republican leader Trent Lott to step down from that post in 2002. Lott had spoken favorably of the 1948 segregationist presidential campaign of Strom Thurmond, and in spite of apologies for those remarks at Thurmond's 100th birthday, Lott was forced out as leader.
"There is this standard where the Democrats feel that they can say these things and they can apologize when it comes from the mouths of their own. But if it comes from anyone else, it's racism," said Steele, who is black. "It's either racist or it's not. And it's inappropriate, absolutely..." |
This is just more nonsense from Michael Steele, who is a seemingly endless fountain of irrationality. Comparing a minor comment about the Obama's tone and accent with a proclamation of being proud for having voted for a segregationist candidate are completely different in scope.
Gopher wrote: |
Why do Democrats and liberals get to talk about "light-skinned African-Americans with no Negro dialect" and "wise Hispanic women" and get off quickly and quietly while everytime a Republican says something similar we hear, to no end, how the entire Republican party is racist as are all of its grassroots supporters? |
Because, evidently, Republicans such as yourself don't understand the difference between statements which while racist are only minorly racist, and the major racism involved in saying you're proud of voting segregationist. Congratuations on likening commentary about skin tone and dialect to saying America would have been better if the segregationist candidate had won. You've shown exactly why Republicans deserve the reputation they've earned.
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Hypocrisy, that is why. |
Your claim that it's hypocritical to forgive Reid but not Lott is like saying it's hypocritical to forgive one man for stealing your lunch at work, and not forgive another man for stealing your car. But that's not hypocrisy at all, because the scope involved is different. There's a reason, for instance, that Michael Steele hasn't been forced to resign as a result of his "Honest Injun" comment; like Reid's comment about skin tone, Steele's comment was racist, but only minorly. Offensive, but not offensive enough to drive one from their position. Neither is comparable to saying America would have been better under a segregationist president. Reid is still at his job for the same reason Steele is; both said something stupid and offensive, but not enough to force resignation. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
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"When asked in 1995 why white people liked him so much, Colin Powell replied that �I speak reasonably well, like a white person,� and, visually, �I ain�t that black.�
Peter Beinart has an interesting piece from which the above quote is taken.
Another snippet: "So if what Reid said was palpably true, why is he in so much trouble? Yes, his use of the word �negro� was unattractive. But overall, his statement was less an example of white racism than an analysis of white racism. He dared to discuss an aspect of race prejudice that people generally find too toxic to publicly discuss. But it should be publicly discussed. Because amid the triumphalism that has followed Barack Obama�s election�the insistence, particularly on the right, that his election proves that racism has all but died out�it is worth remembering that while Obama�s election constitutes racial progress, it is also, peculiarly, testament to how far America still has to go."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-10/harry-reid-was-right/?cid=hp:mainpromo2 |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I see no significant difference between the two U.S. political parties. They are practically identical on the issues that really matter -- hence no real chocie in the matter
Korea, here I come. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:54 am Post subject: |
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Here is yet another example
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CHICAGO -- Ousted Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich says he's "blacker than Barack Obama..." |
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Nice. By all means, continue with your apologia, gentlemen... |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Gopher wrote: |
Nice quotes, Ya-ta. Back from George Wallace and the rest of the Dixiecrats' days, right?
You have such an admirable and honest grasp of American history when it comes to racism.  |
A passive-aggressive ad hominem in lieu of rebuttal? Bush league. |
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