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Grammar Q: I have much work to do .. Ok?
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mulligc3



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Grammar Q: I have much work to do .. Ok? Reply with quote

I'm teaching uncountable nouns at the moment.
Work is uncountable,so we say I have too much work to do or I have a little work to do.
Is I have much work to do wrong?
I would stick the too in before the much but too doesn't always accompany much.eg...
Do you have much money ?
Answer would be, Yes, I have some.

But is , Yes, I have much wrong.

Thanks for the help!!
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's one of those "grammatically correct" things that native speakers would never say.

We would never say, "I have much work to do".

We would say, "I have a lot of work to do".


Don't ask me why. Embarassed
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

much used for uncountable negatives and questions
many used for countable negatives and questions

a lot of used for positives (I have noticed this is not quite as true as it once was)
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I think it's one of those "grammatically correct" things that native speakers would never say.
We would never say, "I have much work to do".
We would say, "I have a lot of work to do".

Yes. I cannot think of a grammatical reason for not using it, but it is not how a native speaker would phrase the sentence.

I have so much work to do.
I have a great deal of work to do.
I have a lot of work to do.
Or an expression -- I have a pile of work, work coming out of my ears, and so.
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kinerry



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a lot of work to do
OR
I have too much work to do.
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Perceptioncheck



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've read in books, it wasn't an unpopular thing to say earlier in the 20th century. "Come, child, we have much work to do!" sounds okay to me; a little archaic to be sure, but still okay.

Who knows why it's fallen out of favour? Not me.

Can I source that? No, I can't.
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blackjack



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perceptioncheck wrote:
From what I've read in books, it wasn't an unpopular thing to say earlier in the 20th century. "Come, child, we have much work to do!" sounds okay to me; a little archaic to be sure, but still okay.

Who knows why it's fallen out of favour? Not me.

Can I source that? No, I can't.


Yeah "we have much work to do before ..." sounds quaint but okay
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: Grammar Q: I have much work to do .. Ok? Reply with quote

mulligc3 wrote:
I'm teaching uncountable nouns at the moment.
Work is uncountable,so we say I have too much work to do or I have a little work to do.
Is I have much work to do wrong?
I would stick the too in before the much but too doesn't always accompany much.eg...
Do you have much money ?
Answer would be, Yes, I have some.

But is , Yes, I have much wrong.

Thanks for the help!!


The above posts give some great insights.

The only thing I would add...is to be careful saying that work in uncountable.
In that sentence it is...and students plug that away and just assume that any time they use work...or its derivatives...they are all uncountable.
Then they get in trouble when they take the TEPS exam and get something like...
There are ____ works of art in the museum.
a) so
b) too
c) much
d) many

As for your example...much...in use of uncountables is going the way of whom.
A lot of ...lots of... is now on the rise descriptively...even prescriptively...and seems to be replacing much...which is why most of us hear much as quaint in the above example.
The dual use of "a lot of" for both countables and uncountables...is sighted for the rise of its usage, though some argue it sounds too informal.
I am fairly certain usage will win out on this.
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is so much to do. I have much to do. These sound like slightly antiquated poetic contractions and probably function as idiomatic phrases, but I can't see them being inherently incorrect as they're perfectly comprehensible in a tight and economic way--which I always advocate. I'd encourage your students to use them, but let them know that the grammar police may be watching and listening. Especially the strident ones with red pens.
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Cerberus



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, it's correct.

but as noted, quaint sounding and rarely used.

I have a lot of work to do is the most common expression.
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some waygug-in



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gotta whole lotta work to do!!!!

I've got lotsa work to do!!!!!!!!!

Laughing

Like someone said before, we generally use "much" in questions,

Do you have much work to do?

or in emphatic statements,

I have too much work to do.

I have so much work to do.

Generally in declarative statements we would say "lots of" or "a lot of".

In negative statements we use either;

I don't have much work to do.

I don't have a lot of work to do.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"We have much work to do" does have a Victorian sound to it. I teach some teachers and often hear much older Koreans say things that I would call grammatical but out of date -- or even military, such as using "staffs" all the time. It may be that some of these people were taught with English books from Japan long ago, which in turn used conservative British usages.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rule is 'much' is only used in questions and negatives but not positive statements. This does not apply if it is modified by an adverb as with 'so much' or 'very much' but you can leave that for another lesson.

Examples:

'Is there much left to do?' - ok
'We don't have much time.' - ok
'I have much work' - X

Generally, I try to convince my students to stick with 'a lot of' or 'lots of' instead as no such restrictions apply, but it's a hard habit for them to break.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
"We have much work to do" does have a Victorian sound to it. I teach some teachers and often hear much older Koreans say things that I would call grammatical but out of date -- or even military, such as using "staffs" all the time. It may be that some of these people were taught with English books from Japan long ago, which in turn used conservative British usages.


Um...Memo to all speakers of North American varieties of English: when Koreans say something that sounds old-fashioned or strange, please do not assume that it may be British usage.

I've heard people say 'Oh, I think that's British English' quite a few times, but I don't remember them ever even once being correct.

Here, for example, 'much' used in a positive statement sounds just as odd to British ears as it does to yours. I suppose someone might use it if they wanted to give their speech an old-fashioned or archaic flavour, but certainly not in everyday speech or writing. In fairness, Moldy Rutabaga is right that it might be used occasionally by conservative British people in certain restricted contexts (perhaps editorials in 'The Times'?), but that's rare and not of much use to students. And even then I think 'much' is more often used to modify an adjective (as in 'He was much perturbed'), and of course it sounds old-fashioned.

Perhaps Americans/Canadians are known to put 'much' before an adjective sometimes too?
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
I teach some teachers and often hear much older Koreans say things that I would call grammatical but out of date


There's another good example of when 'much' can be used in positive statements! You can use it to modify a comparative as in 'He is much older' or 'She is much more organised'.
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