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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:44 am Post subject: KAIST is hiring...the hours...uh... |
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KAIST, a university of higher academic standing, educates and trains students to become highly qualified scientists and engineers equipped with theoretical and practical expertise. We offer two kinds of postition. The full time lecturer at the Department of Humanities and Social Sciences is expected to teach credit courses, such as English conversation, academic writing, and presentation classes to undergraduate and graduate students. The KAIST Language Center offers non-credit EFL courses to KAIST students and other members of surrounding community.
Responsibilities
18 teaching hours and 12 office hours per week
Salary: US $30,000-40,000 per year (negotiable)
Deadline to apply: April 16th, 2010
Send a current r�sum� and cover letter, a copy of passport information page, copies of transcripts and diplomas, and two letters of recommendation (or two references) by mail, e-mail, or fax.
NOTES: 2 openings.
Benefits
1. Vacation: Up to 20 weeks per year
2. Health insurance and national pension plan: 50% paid
3. A partially furnished two-bedroom apartment on campus (150,000 won of monthly housing allowance provided)
4. Private office
5. One-way air ticket to Korea for overseas applicants
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Many of you will think that the teaching hours aren't bad. Remember, a lot of these classes will be intesive writing classes, which will require A LOT of preparation and a lot of after-class grading and assessing. Have any of you had experience with KAIST or know of someone that has worked there? I'm curious to see if s/he enjoyed it. |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:31 am Post subject: |
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Many of you will think that the teaching hours aren't bad. Remember, a lot of these classes will be intesive writing classes, which will require A LOT of preparation and a lot of after-class grading and assessing. |
You should have a look at the ad a again. No "[sic]intesive writing classes" mentioned; a regular freshman English course ("teach credit courses, such as English conversation, academic writing, and presentation classes to undergraduate and graduate students") and a unigwon position ("non-credit EFL courses to KAIST students and other members of surrounding community").
Sounds like a reasonable deal (the lecturer) and hey...it's KAIST. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:13 am Post subject: |
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OP, where did you find this job advert? |
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Goon-Yang
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Duh
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:14 am Post subject: |
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languistic wrote: |
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Many of you will think that the teaching hours aren't bad. Remember, a lot of these classes will be intesive writing classes, which will require A LOT of preparation and a lot of after-class grading and assessing. |
You should have a look at the ad a again. No "[sic]intesive writing classes" mentioned; a regular freshman English course ("teach credit courses, such as English conversation, academic writing, and presentation classes to undergraduate and graduate students") and a unigwon position ("non-credit EFL courses to KAIST students and other members of surrounding community").
Sounds like a reasonable deal (the lecturer) and hey...it's KAIST. |
Hi n00b. Been here since 2009. Have you ever taught a writing or a presentation class?
Writing class =homework every two weeks. Lots of extra marking. Like 1 hour for every 4-5 students. So that works out o be about 6 extra hours every two weeks (for one class).
Presentation classes aren't that bad, but they could always hide a resume/interview class as a presentation class (also loads of extra work).
I I have one writing class and one interview class it's no prob, but one term the asses at my uni gave me 6 writing classes. They then called and aksked me if I wanted some OT. I told them OK as long as it wasn't on frin (my day off) and it wasn't a writing class. Guess what those dumbtards did. They gave me a Fri afternoon writing class. How smrt r they?
Unless you've
1) taught at a uni
2) taught writing classes
3) figured out "the better the uni the [Mod Edit] the job" just [Mod Edit] please.
I may be a bit harsh but I just got back from a game and some soju. I'm drunk out of my tree, but I can type like a trooper! |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Those who are qualified to teach writing should also be good at marking. I am a certified English teacher. Hours of grading outside of class hours come with the territory. I really don't think it is hard to prepare lessons on how to write, or to teach the process of writing. However, that is what my background is in.
For the hours that job posts and the salary, it is actually a pretty good gig IMO. If they mean 30-40mil won a year, well that isn't so good. However, $30-$40,000 US with 20 weeks vacation included is alright.
My next gig in Korea is looking to be an an international school, and for the pay versus amount of hours required, the KAIST job looks better in that regard. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink wrote: |
Those who are qualified to teach writing should also be good at marking. I am a certified English teacher. Hours of grading outside of class hours come with the territory. I really don't think it is hard to prepare lessons on how to write, or to teach the process of writing. However, that is what my background is in.
For the hours that job posts and the salary, it is actually a pretty good gig IMO. If they mean 30-40mil won a year, well that isn't so good. However, $30-$40,000 US with 20 weeks vacation included is alright.
My next gig in Korea is looking to be an an international school, and for the pay versus amount of hours required, the KAIST job looks better in that regard. |
Hey Pink,
Good point. 30 to 40 USD isn't bad with 20 weeks vacation and the free apartment. Now that I have read it again, you are right. It isn't bad. I was comparing the salary by WON and not USD. Still, for that kind of money, that is a 40-hour work week. However, the vacation more than makes up for it. Good point.
I love teaching writing and you are right, it isn't that difficult to set up a lesson plan or supplemental activities. However, I tend to go a bit overboard. I like to collect the essays and before grading them, I like to find common errors in the class. This takes a bit more time when you are comparing 8 to 10 different essays.
After finding the common errors among the essays, I end up having a 10 to 20 minute review session, in the 2-hour writing class, on that specific point. I feel it's better than trying one-on-one as everyone can use it for either review or for polishing. Moreover, I am all into indirect error correction. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Where was the job advert? I didn't see it here on Dave's |
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Goon-Yang
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Duh
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Mr. Pink wrote: |
Those who are qualified to teach writing should also be good at marking. I am a certified English teacher. Hours of grading outside of class hours come with the territory. I really don't think it is hard to prepare lessons on how to write, or to teach the process of writing. However, that is what my background is in.
For the hours that job posts and the salary, it is actually a pretty good gig IMO. If they mean 30-40mil won a year, well that isn't so good. However, $30-$40,000 US with 20 weeks vacation included is alright.
My next gig in Korea is looking to be an an international school, and for the pay versus amount of hours required, the KAIST job looks better in that regard. |
Sure grading does come with the job, but when I'm grading 8 different writing classes while my coworker is at home ralxing cause he lucked out and got 8 conversation classes...not fair. |
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The Cosmic Hum

Joined: 09 May 2003 Location: Sonic Space
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Goon-Yang wrote: |
Mr. Pink wrote: |
Those who are qualified to teach writing should also be good at marking. I am a certified English teacher. Hours of grading outside of class hours come with the territory. I really don't think it is hard to prepare lessons on how to write, or to teach the process of writing. However, that is what my background is in.
For the hours that job posts and the salary, it is actually a pretty good gig IMO. If they mean 30-40mil won a year, well that isn't so good. However, $30-$40,000 US with 20 weeks vacation included is alright.
My next gig in Korea is looking to be an an international school, and for the pay versus amount of hours required, the KAIST job looks better in that regard. |
Sure grading does come with the job, but when I'm grading 8 different writing classes while my coworker is at home ralxing cause he lucked out and got 8 conversation classes...not fair. |
...ouch!
Was that actually luck...or by design?
We have often thought of giving the new professors all the writing classes, but never do it...such a dick thing to do.
We share the writing classes evenly...would be nice to have someone do all the writing classes though
Then again, the writing classes sure do keep the grammar skills pretty sharp. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Thanks!
languistic wrote: |
There are many ways to make grading writing assignments much, much easier. Take advantage of them, and writing classes become a pleasure. Besides, assessment is a big part of teaching; one should take as much pleasure in it as any other aspect of a course. |
I'd be interested in finding out. I have five next semester . Thanks so much |
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languistic
Joined: 25 Nov 2009
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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It's no revelation perhaps, but the best way to grade writing is to create a grading scheme - different in a sense from a rubric - that places some of the corrective burden back on the student.
Simply correcting their work on the paper is of little educational value. A scheme will allow you to correct the work in a timely fashion, allow the student a chance to reflect on the work and the errors within and do so in a manner that is easy (and perhaps even fun) to reference.
The scheme is a set of established symbols that illustrate different types of errors. It could be a squiggly line to indicate a tense problem, an SV to indicate a subject/verb agreement issue or a small degree-like circle to indicate a missing or wrong article.
It sounds silly, but the effort that such a scheme saves is tremendous. It means that you don't have to re-write anything for the student, something that we feel inclined to do when we grade writing. It gives the student a clear map of what to do to correct errors and it doesn't rely on language to function. That is to say, it is a visual system; it uses symbols, not words to highlight problematic areas. For students, even accurately interpreting written feedback on a writing assignment can be a burden; so much so that they may not bother with it and just hope for the best with the next assignment. A symbol-based system is easy to manage from a language point of view and may actually be interesting for them to index their errors. It also creates an easy look-up, and is illustrative of any pattern problems in a students' work.
You may think this sounds too simple to work, but Occams razor says that it may well be so. Try it: sit down and establish a visual correcting system. You will need a wide range of easy-to-draw, easy-to-see symbols to represent error types. Obtain some writing samples if you can; this will help you establish your scheme. Ensure the students are given a copy of the scheme and go through it with them. Depending on your time budget, you may offer some re-write submissions for bonus points or even a paired project; have students exchange returned work and fix the errors. Peer grading can also be fun, but that is a separate topic.
Try it. It speeds up grading and as I said, asks students to get involved in the correction process. Many won't bother, but for those who do, it can be a somewhat self-directed learning experience. Initially it will feel clumsy; you will be referencing your own scheme to grade. However, given a bit of time, you will be flying along. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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What I do with my students and their major writing assignments is have them get 3 peers to edit it for them. They have to fill out specific paper work as a peer editor and hand that in with their essay. I usually make the essay worth 25% of their mark with 5% being the process of revision and peer editing. I have found this to cut down on my being boggled down with convention errors, so that I can comment and advise my students on how to use stronger sentences, better transitions or other content based suggestions.
Simple writing assignments I can tear through easily, so I don't have the students go back and fix simple errors on those. I probably should, but I am not teaching only writing in such classes. In a pure writing class, I definitely would. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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languistic wrote: |
Simply correcting their work on the paper is of little educational value. A scheme will allow you to correct the work in a timely fashion, allow the student a chance to reflect on the work and the errors within and do so in a manner that is easy (and perhaps even fun) to reference.
The scheme is a set of established symbols that illustrate different types of errors. It could be a squiggly line to indicate a tense problem, an SV to indicate a subject/verb agreement issue or a small degree-like circle to indicate a missing or wrong article.. |
Ok, sounds like what I do. I tried using Gr for grammar and SP for spelling and I thought my coordinator would have a heart attack. She wanted me to correct ALL Their mistakes. Correct them, not label them, At an intl school In Peru. Needless to say I didn't not last long as said school
I believe that if I fix the mistake, the student will spend two seconds looking at their paper and file it away. If I make THEM fix their mistake, they'll be more likely to remember the correct version. |
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