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hiddenflask



Joined: 03 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: this is rich! Reply with quote

so my coworker went into the boss's office last night to discuss renewing her contract but she had a list of demands. she wanted:
-100,000w raise
-compensation for when we stay after our working hours or work on saturdays
-no more morning shuttle unless paid (we actually have to go to work an hour early without compensation every 3 weeks to pick up the kids...we also have to ride with kids on afternoon shuttles a few days a week)
-pension. we have not been offered pension, it's been 10 months.

the verdict:
-50,000w raise
-no overtime compensation
-"we will probably have more shuttles next year and the parents like you to be there, so you will still have to do the shuttle."
-and the kicker, "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PENSION!" the flat out denied it existed.

obviously, no one wants to stay now...the pension system is screwed up beyond belief. it seems as though it's designed to protect its own...if you want pension, your boss has to sign you up, but if your boss didn't already do it, then they don't want to and so why would they now? am i wrong for thinking that no korean would be treated like this in america?
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where do you work at ?
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes you are wrong for thinking that "no Korean would be treated like this in America." AMERICANS are regularly treated that badly or worse by their employers. I was a US public school teacher, and my public high school did worse to folks than you described....

You are right, however, that this treatment is deplorable, and you should not put up with it. Just because it DOES happen in your home country does not make it right, and you shouldn't put up with it, regardless of where it happens. I hope you can change it, or get yourself out.

Good luck.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made getting my pension a necessary condition (simply and bluntly I said "I NEED it." even put that in writing) of re-signing and GOT IT for my second and third years at that job, cashing in and getting my pension refund of over 5 million won this last fall during a few months break between jobs.

The guy who took my job after I left wasn't offered pension. Laughing

I am not getting pension at my new job and I'm contemplating whether to make it a condition of renewal at year's end, and might not, given the relatively high pay and ideal location for me. Dunno.

One has to choose for oneself where and when to draw the line. And, of course, you gotta pick and choose your battles.
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vaticanhotline



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: in the most decent sometimes sun

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't paying into the pension a legal requirement?
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hiddenflask



Joined: 03 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh yeah, it's a legal requirement. it's just my shady hagwon trying to get away with stuff. if anyone can tell me about how to get my pension without going through my bosses to get it, i'd be much obliged. some people on here have tried to answer, but i'm not satisfied with the answers. why would i give my boss 1,000,000 won and then just hope that they were going to contact the pension office and be honest about it when they haven't been thus far?
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hagwonnewbie



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Asia

PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just wait til your contracts over and contact the pension office. They'll confiscate his property and make him pay. Works like a charm, but it might take a year to get all of it. You'll probabaly have to stay in the country, too. Also, you'll need paystubs that are signed and stamped.
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vaticanhotline wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't paying into the pension a legal requirement?


Laughing

Yeah, it is. Or at least, it would be if legal requirements were actually enforced by anyone.
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son of coco



Joined: 14 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

son of coco wrote:
vaticanhotline wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't paying into the pension a legal requirement?


Laughing

Yeah, it is. Or at least, it would be if legal requirements were actually enforced by anyone (other than the person applying for the job).
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dirving



Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hiddenflask wrote:
oh yeah, it's a legal requirement. it's just my shady hagwon trying to get away with stuff. if anyone can tell me about how to get my pension without going through my bosses to get it, i'd be much obliged. some people on here have tried to answer, but i'm not satisfied with the answers. why would i give my boss 1,000,000 won and then just hope that they were going to contact the pension office and be honest about it when they haven't been thus far?


You'd have to pay your share and then the National Pension Corporation would go after your hogwon for their share. The hogwon's owner would face a severe fine if she does not ante up her share.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: this is rich! Reply with quote

hiddenflask wrote:
so my coworker went into the boss's office last night to discuss renewing her contract but she had a list of demands. she wanted:
-100,000w raise
-compensation for when we stay after our working hours or work on saturdays
-no more morning shuttle unless paid (we actually have to go to work an hour early without compensation every 3 weeks to pick up the kids...we also have to ride with kids on afternoon shuttles a few days a week)
-pension. we have not been offered pension, it's been 10 months.

the verdict:
-50,000w raise
-no overtime compensation
-"we will probably have more shuttles next year and the parents like you to be there, so you will still have to do the shuttle."
-an