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drkalbi
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 Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:48 pm Post subject: Crazy, funny, weird examples of Western pride. |
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conrad2
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| If there ever were any instances of ridiculous Western pride, political correctness has pretty much wiped them out. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The way some Westerners go on about Korea or other countries' faults without seemingly realizing that the exact same problem exists in their countries and some cases it's even worse. |
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dragon777
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| That by not eating dog, we are somewhat more civilized and superior. |
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conrad2
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| How about some examples that dont involve comparisons to Korea. I have never heard a Westerner proclaim " Im proud that Western civilization doesnt condone dog eating." |
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Tycho Brahe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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irish people still think that 1916 was a worthwhile revolutionary attempt. rather than a callous attempt to get young irish men to agree to a suicide mission for absolutely no purpose. In fact it made the situation much worse.
I could mention more horrible ways that irish republicanism manifests itself. Its something you have to deal with time and again when you study third university level history in ireland. but the schools persist in lying to their children to propagate this ridiculous myth of 800 years of rape and repression by those damned brits. Which has done a lot more harm than dokdo-talk.
the truth is that all national identities are based on lies. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm proud that "the west" invented and implemented the internet so that people could complain about "the west". |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm proud that "the west" invented and implemented the internet so that people could complain about "the west". |
I'm proud that it has become a medium for sharing any possible information about any possible subject rather than being a confidential network solely for military defense purposes as it was originally intended to be |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Tycho Brahe wrote: |
irish people still think that 1916 was a worthwhile revolutionary attempt. rather than a callous attempt to get young irish men to agree to a suicide mission for absolutely no purpose. In fact it made the situation much worse.
I could mention more horrible ways that irish republicanism manifests itself. Its something you have to deal with time and again when you study third university level history in ireland. but the schools persist in lying to their children to propagate this ridiculous myth of 800 years of rape and repression by those damned brits. Which has done a lot more harm than dokdo-talk.
the truth is that all national identities are based on lies. |
A callous attempt by who? The leaders and architects of the 1916 rising were all there doing the fighting! Mostly in the GPO building. They fought alongside the other volunteers........to no purpose??? I don't know where you're getting your info on Irish political history but it's generally recognized that the anti-British feelings following the executions of the leaders, yes, the leaders, of the the 1916 rising led to the Irish war of Independence.
So the people who organized the 1916 rising were all shot by the British. The younger volunteers who fought in the rising were released. You seem to have that bit back to front.
Maybe you need to give examples of how Irish school children are taught to hate the Brits. I was an Irish schoolchild during the worst years of the troubles in a Republican area of Belfast, yet I can't remember any teacher or textbook being explicitly anti-British. They didn't need to be. The daily harrassment by the RUC and British army in the Catholic areas of Northern Ireland, events like Bloody Sunday, plastic bullet killings, RUC collusion with loyalist gunmen...etc.... gave plenty of fuel to the fire. In fact, the role of many teachers during those crazy times was to try and persuade their students to go home after school and not join the almost daily rioting.
You'll also find within the nationalist people of Ireland very very little hatred of the common Englishman.....no one I know back home in Belfast hates the common British person. We have always been very aware that all the hurt and devastation caused to both communities in Northern Ireland was caused by the bad choices of politicians in history and the reluctance of the NI Unionist establishment to accept Catholics as equals in the pre-1969 period. |
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Tycho Brahe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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well first you were taught from a different manual to southern kids - should have said that, sorry.
it was something that had no purpose because the only actual negotatiations to follow were border disputes - whether or not ireland was becoming a free state was not a discussion point from 1913 - it was only how much of ireland was changing that was the issue. In fact most historians writing after revisionism became dominant in the 70s would point out that the major impact that '16 had was exacerbating the problem by driving the ulster volunteers into a bigger state of contention. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| English still go on about winning the world cup in 1966 like it was yesterday. |
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oskinny1
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| English still go on about winning the world cup in 1966 like it was yesterday. |
And how they decided the slavery trade was bad before some other countries did (but the colonization and enslavement of entire populations was okay!) |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| Tycho Brahe wrote: |
well first you were taught from a different manual to southern kids - should have said that, sorry.
it was something that had no purpose because the only actual negotatiations to follow were border disputes - whether or not ireland was becoming a free state was not a discussion point from 1913 - it was only how much of ireland was changing that was the issue. In fact most historians writing after revisionism became dominant in the 70s would point out that the major impact that '16 had was exacerbating the problem by driving the ulster volunteers into a bigger state of contention. |
I must have missed that manual myself when I was growing up in the west of Ireland.
My Mother is English and I don't recall her mentioning anything being discriminated against for being English by anyone in all her years in Ireland. |
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blade
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| eamo wrote: |
A callous attempt by who? The leaders and architects of the 1916 rising were all there doing the fighting! Mostly in the GPO building. They fought alongside the other volunteers........to no purpose??? I don't know where you're getting your info on Irish political history but it's generally recognized that the anti-British feelings following the executions of the leaders, yes, the leaders, of the the 1916 rising led to the Irish war of Independence.
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Yes this is what I was thought and learned myself through self study.
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So the people who organized the 1916 rising were all shot by the British. The younger volunteers who fought in the rising were released. You seem to have that bit back to front. |
Yep.
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Maybe you need to give examples of how Irish school children are taught to hate the Brits. I was an Irish schoolchild during the worst years of the troubles in a Republican area of Belfast, yet I can't remember any teacher or textbook being explicitly anti-British. |
Same as that.
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They didn't need to be. The daily harrassment by the RUC and British army in the Catholic areas of Northern Ireland, events like Bloody Sunday, plastic bullet killings, RUC collusion with loyalist gunmen...etc.... gave plenty of fuel to the fire. In fact, the role of many teachers during those crazy times was to try and persuade their students to go home after school and not join the almost daily rioting. |
My teachers were if anything anti IRA and Sinn Fein.
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You'll also find within the nationalist people of Ireland very very little hatred of the common Englishman.....no one I know back home in Belfast hates the common British person.
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My family has lots of English friends, many of whom come visit every year when they come to fish.
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We have always been very aware that all the hurt and devastation caused to both communities in Northern Ireland was caused by the bad choices of politicians in history and the reluctance of the NI Unionist establishment to accept Catholics as equals in the pre-1969 period. |
Yes. |
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Yangachi
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| Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| English still go on about winning the world cup in 1966 like it was yesterday. |
And how they decided the slavery trade was bad before some other countries did (but the colonization and enslavement of entire populations was okay!) |
You obviously don't understand the difference between slavery and colonialism. |
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