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R Paul's "Audit the Fed" has 24 Senate co-sponsors
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
Just look at the junk the Fed pumps out:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/01/in-defense-of-secrecy-three-prong.html

Nassim Taleb's head just exploded. These charlatans. Snake oil salesmen.

Very cool! My math major has finally been put to use for something. (But don't ask even me to explain that!) Exclamation
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's opposite day:
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Sen Dodd boosts Fed in new financial reforms

The Federal Reserve would take on a greatly expanded role in financial regulation under new legislation unveiled on Monday by a top Senate Democrat, in a push to move ahead with the regulatory reform that has been a top priority of President Barack Obama.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62D1YI20100315

Ok, the Fed gets more power. If any institution deserves more power it sure is the Fed.

We can be sure that it will behave with public (meaning corporate) interests in mind:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/generalinfo/listdirectors/
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Audit the Fed" bill, formerly HR 1207, has been incorporated into HR 4173 with a wording change, thanks to Barney Frank, that effectively guts it.

We've been duped...House version of HR 4173 does not have unconditional Fed Audit provision !!!

I just downloaded and scanned through the complete text of HR 4173 (the version that was referred to the Senate, by the House on Jan 20, 2010), from the following website:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-4173

What I read from page 223, which contains the provisions to Audit the Fed, indicates that the provision that allows for unconditional audit of the Fed, has already been deceptively watered down, unlike what our Congress representatives claimed, in order to gain popular support for the bill.

Here is the provision in the bill that has been deemed by Congress representatives to supposedly include the provision from HR 1207, the Audit The Fed bill, which allows for an unconditional Audit of the Federal Reserve Banks:

(2) in subsection (b), by striking all after ��has consented in writing.�� and inserting the following:

��Audits of the Federal Reserve Board and Federal reserve banks shall not include unreleased transcripts or minutes of meetings of the Board of Governors or of the Federal Open Market Committee.


Here is the provision from the text of HR 1207, which REALLY allows for an unconditional audit of the Federal Reserve Banks:


(a) In General- Subsection (b) of section 714 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking all after �shall audit an agency� and inserting a period.


Here is the current text from subsection (b) of section 714 of title 31, USC:


(b) Under regulations of the Comptroller General, the Comptroller General shall audit an agency, but may carry out an onsite examination of an open insured bank or bank holding company only if the appropriate agency has consented in writing.


It can be seen from the comparison of the texts in the provisions of the above 2 bills that intend to ammend subsection (b) of section 714 of title 31, USC, with the existing text in the statute, that by just changing the location from where text is struck down from the existing statute, HR 4173 still keeps the requirement of needing a consent, in writing, from the bank, before the Comptroller General can audit the bank. In other words, the HR 4173 version that was passed by the house does not provide for an unconditional audit of the Fed.

Info to contact Congress at link
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And the Fed will be given the consumer protection agency in addition to more regulatory responsibility. Whatever. The only lesson these people learned from Enron is "don't accept responsibility".
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I am absolutely 100% behind the idea that we should either abolish the Fed or give it even more responsibility.

Rolling Eyes

I hoped to end it, but expanding it is, you must admit, a change.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to wonder how much worse the situation will be allowed to get before the Fed is reformed.

Anyways, why the support?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/economists-opposing-fed-a_n_362287.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/07/priceless-how-the-federal_n_278805.html
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ugh.

Quote:
Goldman Sachs derivative liability = 33,823% of assets


http://thebankwatch.com/2010/03/11/goldman-sachs-derivative-liability-33823-of-assets/

Also:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/testimony/bernanke20100210a.htm#fn9
Quote:
The Federal Reserve believes it is possible that, ultimately, its operating framework will allow the elimination of minimum reserve requirements, which impose costs and distortions on the banking system.


I just don't know what to say.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1)
http://www.economist.com/business-finance/economics-focus/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15719180&source=hptextfeature

Quote:
Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke still do not believe monetary policy bears any blame for the crisis


2)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/exgovernor-george-says-bank-deliberately-fuelled-consumer-boom-441160.html

Quote:
The Bank of England deliberately stoked the consumer boom that has led to record house prices and personal debt in order to avert a recession, the former Bank Governor Eddie George admitted yesterday.



Greenspan and Bernanke are incompetent. They are also liars.

They believed in a "Great Moderation" of business cycles when they were really just hiding the cycles into a super-cycle. Now, they think they can still achieve the "Great Moderation" and are going to try again. The crisis was one of details and not ideology, in their eyes.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenspan is simply trying to protect his rep and legacy before he says adios to this world.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obama administration officials have declined to weigh in on any specific amendments, with one exception: a move by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) to give the government more power to audit certain operations at the Federal Reserve. Fed and administration officials have signaled they would fight to stop it at all costs. Mr. Sanders has more than a dozen co-sponsors.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214553398009096.html

I'm trying to phrase this eloquently... How to say.. Obama sucks.
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The Happy Warrior



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Greenspan's defense, he admitted ideology got in the way in Congressional testimony. Whereas so many would have lied, who could provide counter-evidence of the thoughts inside his head?, he flatly admitted his mistake.

Obama's economic policies are terrible.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Happy Warrior wrote:
In Greenspan's defense, he admitted ideology got in the way in Congressional testimony. Whereas so many would have lied, who could provide counter-evidence of the thoughts inside his head?, he flatly admitted his mistake.


He sees issue in regulation and not interest rates.

Xie:

http://english.caing.com/englishNews.jsp?id=100139307&time=2010-04-27&cl=111&page=all
Quote:
Greenspan now acknowledges regulatory supervision was faulty but denies loose monetary policy was a factor. He is dead wrong. Faulty regulation can contribute to a bubble when the environment is right, at a time when there is plenty of liquidity. A bubble can be as big as the money supply, regardless of regulatory loopholes. So the most important policy action after a bubble is identified is to decrease the money supply.


Greenspan and Bernanke do not acknowledge that low interest rates are a problem. They know the truth but are tools of the powerful.


Oh, guess who Greenspan worked for after he left the Fed? Paulson's hedge fund. The one that shorted the sub-prime market and is deeply involved in the Goldman's investigation.
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm beating a dead horse:

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/05/fed-discussed-possible-housing-bubble.html?mod=bernanke.is.the.demon.spawn.of.greenspan
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The Fed released the transcripts for the 2004 FOMC meeting this week. There definitely was some mention of a possible housing bubble, but little discussion.

...

"MR. OLINER [Stephen Oliner, Fed associate research director]: The biases referred to in that footnote were really technical biases in the construction of the two measures shown here, the rent measure and the price measure. Had we not adjusted for them, the rent-to-price ratio would have been much lower at the end point. So it would have looked more alarming. In part we think the published data have some technical problems that need to be taken care of before this analysis can be done in a way that is meaningful."


If the data shows something you don't like then change the data. They knew there was a housing bubble in 2004. Greenspan, under oath, has denied this. Good thing he didn't sell a bag of blow. That would have real legal consequences.

If you're interested in this subject:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2010/05/01/trillion_dollar_fraud/index.html

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/bloomberg_scoop_has_implicatio.php

The Fed is an utterly corrupt organized crime syndicate. That is not an exaggeration. It is also the foundation of the American economy. I'm sure this will turn out alright.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One hundred years is a good lifespan. How about we work to end the evil institution that is the Fed, hopefully beginning with this bill, by 2013?
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
One hundred years is a good lifespan. How about we work to end the evil institution that is the Fed, hopefully beginning with this bill, by 2013?


Good luck. Hope and Change will fight the most small and sensible reform (audit of some operations).

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Obama administration officials have declined to weigh in on any specific amendments, with one exception: a move by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) to give the government more power to audit certain operations at the Federal Reserve. Fed and administration officials have signaled they would fight to stop it at all costs.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214553398009096.html

"At all costs". Think about that. What cost? All. Even the death of the whole reform bill? Yes. All costs.

Obama represents the interests of the people who had him elected.
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