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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: Ex-U.N. arms inspector Ritter arrested in online kiddy sting |
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Scott Ritter, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq who harshly criticized the Bush administration's case for war, has been arrested in an online sex sting for allegedly masturbating on webcam while talking dirty to a Pennsylvania police officer posing as a 15- year-old girl.
In 2001, Ritter faced similar charges after an online sting by New York police that he blamed on his criticism of the war. Charges were later dropped. |
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/01/ex-un-nuke-inspector-ritter-arrested-in-online-child-sex-sting/1
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| Ritter was arrested in April 2001[32] and again in June 2001[33][34] in connection with police stings in which officers posed as under-aged girls to arrange meetings of a sexual nature. The first incident did not lead to any charges.[32] He was charged with a misdemeanor crime of "attempted endangerment of the welfare of a child" after the second, but charges were dropped and the record was sealed on condition that he avoid further trouble for a period of time.[32][35] News of the arrests became public after sealed court records were provided anonymously to the press. Ritter claimed that the timing of the leak was a politically motivated effort to distract attention from his statements about Iraq.[33][34][36] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter#Arrests
Three times. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:49 am Post subject: |
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MMMHHH?
Isn't eliciting criminal behavior by the police illegal in itself? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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MMMHHH?
Isn't eliciting criminal behavior by the police illegal in itself? |
It probably varies from locale to locale, but I think the general rule is that the cops can't actually suggest that you do something illegal, but can sort of act in a way that might prompt someone already so-inclined to do the illegal thing.
Also, I've read that in some locales, they are allowed to ask you one time if you want to do the illegal thing, and then if you say yes after that, that shows willingness on your part, and so is not entrapment. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| ...an online sting by New York police that he blamed on his criticism of the war. Charges were later dropped. |
Nice red herring.
Marine or not, I have zero sympathy for people who abuse children. Worst crime there is. |
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mises
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ...an online sting by New York police that he blamed on his criticism of the war. Charges were later dropped. |
Nice red herring.
Marine or not, I have zero sympathy for people who abuse children. |
Except that Ritter abused exactly ZERO children, even if a 15-year-old were a child which (s)he almost always is not.
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| Worst crime there is. |
I guess I shouldn't be surprised if a trained killer would think this to be worse than mass murder.
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| Juregen wrote: |
MMMHHH?
Isn't eliciting criminal behavior by the police illegal in itself? |
It probably varies from locale to locale, but I think the general rule is that the cops can't actually suggest that you do something illegal, but can sort of act in a way that might prompt someone already so-inclined to do the illegal thing. |
At one time entrapment in any form was clearly illegal, but now so many exceptions have been carved out that it has become almost routine. And tarring someone with the "predisposition" has now become a code word for what is essentially a thought crime. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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Right.
Why let statutory rape and illicit internet dealings involving sex and minors get in the way of your anti-Bush politics? I might be inclined to say more, but, in all honesty, your position on this does not surprise me in the least. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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What? There is no statutory rape here, not even a real minor, but don't let that stop you from putting up all these straw men.
It is interesting for you to note the political angle in the pursuit of Ritter, although it has nothing to do with my "anti-Bush politics." I am not surprised that you see politics in every position anyone might take on anything.
Your hysteria-mongering continues to fan the flames of the child sex abuse witchhunt. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Bacasper: I am working with such facts as these:
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Pennsylvania authorities say they arrested a former United Nations weapons inspector after he allegedly exchanged sexually explicit online messages with a police officer who was pretending to be a 15-year-old girl...
police said he sent sexual messages to a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl named Emily, the Barrett Township, Pennsylvania, Police Department said in a news release Thursday... |
He called himself "delmar4fun," and not "Scott Ritter," or "Scott," which strongly suggests to me that he knew what he was doing was better done from as concealed a position as possible.
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"Delmar4fun," whom police identified as Ritter, sent "Emily" a link to his Web camera and then masturbated on camera and said he was fantasizing about having sex with her, the affidavit said...
"Emily" told "delmar4fun" what her age was twice, the affidavit said. The second time, "delmar4fun," turned the camera off and said he didn't realize he was speaking to a 15-year-old and didn't want to get into trouble, the affidavit said.
However, Ritter allegedly later resent the camera link, and masturbated and ejaculated on camera, the affidavit said.
Venneman called a phone number that "delmar4fun" had given, and told him that "Emily" was a police officer. "Delmar4fun" identified himself to Venneman, the affidavit said.
Ritter was arrested on November 9, 2009, on a number of charges including indecent exposure, corruption of minors and criminal solicitation, according to the police news release... |
CNN Reports
Further, this was not the first time. It was not even the second time, I understand.
I would not want to be Ritter's defense counsel.
In any case, Bacasper, what facts are you working with, praytell? |
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bacasper
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I am working with the fact that entrapping horny guys with imaginary minors is an absolute waste of finite police resources better spent on real crimes.
Suppose he didn't use the internet and was privately masturbating in his bedroom to an image of a real 15-year-old girl he'd seen on TV that day? Would you still support imprisoning him for that thought crime? |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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You know, as an aside...if every large police department set aside a few officers to pose as underage children on the Internet on an ongoing baseis to solicit potential pedophiles into chatting with them...they would probably be doing a public service. Even if the chatters are never arrested.
After all, the pedophiles would be getting what they want, and the police would be doing a public service by distracting the pedophile population from going after the real thing. Everybody wins. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
You know, as an aside...if every large police department set aside a few officers to pose as underage children on the Internet on an ongoing baseis to solicit potential pedophiles into chatting with them...they would probably be doing a public service. Even if the chatters are never arrested.
After all, the pedophiles would be getting what they want, and the police would be doing a public service by distracting the pedophile population from going after the real thing. Everybody wins. |
Except hookers. They would resent the cops moving in on their territory. |
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Gopher
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Do you know what is out there, Manner? Do you know who authorities usually arrest (by profession, for example) when they conduct large-scale operations re: this problem.
"Chatting" is barely the beginning of it. If it were only chatting with teen-aged girls, I could not care less about it. But it is much, much more than chatting with teen-aged girls.
Sick world. And Scott Ritter should know better -- nay, he should act better. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| ...an online sting by New York police that he blamed on his criticism of the war. Charges were later dropped. |
Nice red herring.
Marine or not, I have zero sympathy for people who abuse children. |
Except that Ritter abused exactly ZERO children, even if a 15-year-old were a child which (s)he almost always is not.
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Oh well, that makes it okay then.  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Gopher wrote: |
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| ...an online sting by New York police that he blamed on his criticism of the war. Charges were later dropped. |
Nice red herring.
Marine or not, I have zero sympathy for people who abuse children. |
Except that Ritter abused exactly ZERO children, even if a 15-year-old were a child which (s)he almost always is not.
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Oh well, that makes it okay then. |
If abusing ZERO children is not okay with you, then please tell us what number would be. |
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