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SeoulMan99

Joined: 02 Aug 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| I know in IL the average teacher's salary is around 56,000, with some of the nicer districts having average salaries of $80,000 - $100,000. There really is a large gap in pay depending on where you teach. |
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Jeonmunka
Joined: 05 Oct 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty pathetic huh? |
I know what you mean but there are some good things though. It is pretty pathetic pay for a start but a few years he will see increases. Perhaps percentage wise higher pay increases than what would be possible in Korea. He gets to live in a place where he may be more physically comfortable - less crowded. He will have accumulating sick leave and with that a guaranteed tenure.
As for me, being a NZer I am very happy to be returning soon. Taxes are higher and pay is less, however, the social system is better (family tax credits), the air is clean, there is more space, there is less busy-ness. I will feel when I drive my car not to be constantly stuck in traffic as I do here ... Even though I will work 15 hours more per week, it won't feel longer. I will have a healthier lifestyle. Uncrowded gyms and lane-swimming pools, far less passive smoking etc.
Excellent in terms of health for my two kids as well. Less academic success for them in NZ, but, I think better they grow their bones well ...
And the NZ food is better. No more burning my eosophegus and guts out with spiced everything. No more made in China food products ...
Slower internet but. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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A district with an average salary for a teacher of $100,000? I am sorry, but without something to back that up, I am going to have to call you on that. No way -- I don't believe it. Show me a link to that district's home page -- heck, show me a link that shows the maximum step increase for the district being anywhere near or over $100,000 for a teacher, not an administrator.
Here are some places with very high average salaries:
http://www.employmentspot.com/employment-articles/top-cities-for-teacher-salaries/
A few approach the $80,000 mark, but these high salaries are connected to the local cost of living, and the difficulty of securing a position. A high salary (coupled with a low starting salary) usually indicates a top-heavy field -- that is, people in those positions do not leave those positions, and because of that, no new people can get in. If the average salary is $80K, you can bet the "average" teacher has an MA + 15 years or more experience...hardly an average teacher, wouldn't you agree? |
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Netz

Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| thegadfly wrote: |
A district with an average salary for a teacher of $100,000? I am sorry, but without something to back that up, I am going to have to call you on that. No way -- I don't believe it. Show me a link to that district's home page -- heck, show me a link that shows the maximum step increase for the district being anywhere near or over $100,000 for a teacher, not an administrator.
Here are some places with very high average salaries:
http://www.employmentspot.com/employment-articles/top-cities-for-teacher-salaries/
A few approach the $80,000 mark, but these high salaries are connected to the local cost of living, and the difficulty of securing a position. A high salary (coupled with a low starting salary) usually indicates a top-heavy field -- that is, people in those positions do not leave those positions, and because of that, no new people can get in. If the average salary is $80K, you can bet the "average" teacher has an MA + 15 years or more experience...hardly an average teacher, wouldn't you agree? |
Why must you always use logic and statistics to back up your posts!
It's so "un-Korean" of you. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, netz... I'll resort to name-calling and hyperbole next time, if that would make you feel better  |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeonmunka wrote: |
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| Pretty pathetic huh? |
I know what you mean but there are some good things though. It is pretty pathetic pay for a start but a few years he will see increases. Perhaps percentage wise higher pay increases than what would be possible in Korea. He gets to live in a place where he may be more physically comfortable - less crowded. He will have accumulating sick leave and with that a guaranteed tenure.
As for me, being a NZer I am very happy to be returning soon. Taxes are higher and pay is less, however, the social system is better (family tax credits), the air is clean, there is more space, there is less busy-ness. I will feel when I drive my car not to be constantly stuck in traffic as I do here ... Even though I will work 15 hours more per week, it won't feel longer. I will have a healthier lifestyle. Uncrowded gyms and lane-swimming pools, far less passive smoking etc.
Excellent in terms of health for my two kids as well. Less academic success for them in NZ, but, I think better they grow their bones well ...
And the NZ food is better. No more burning my eosophegus and guts out with spiced everything. No more made in China food products ...
Slower internet but. |
The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence. I am not saying that Korea is all that rosy, but you will note the school systems + taxes really suck in Western countries.
For clean air and extracurricular opportunities though, sometimes you can't put a price on that.
I know in NZ teachers are able to get work, unlike my home province in Canada where there are like 100 teachers for every 1 job opening. |
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thegadfly

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| 300 to 1 where I am from.... |
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Dude Ranch

Joined: 04 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Too many English/Social Sciences/Humanities majors want to be teachers in Canada. They have a shortage actually of Math/Science majors going into teaching. |
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eschoonard
Joined: 14 Jan 2010 Location: CT, USA
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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As a Math teacher with one years experience, maybe I should look at moving to the foreign country of Canada instead of Korea! Too bad there wasn't a big need of English math teachers in Seoul! |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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in the ESL industry, South Korea is one of the highest paying countries in the world!!!
wake up to the global reality |
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sketcha
Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| if you're making the same as you did 8-9 years ago, maybe the problem is not just the industry ... |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Location: Nowon-gu
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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On that note, where's user Real Reality when we this conversation could make use of the statistics and links he has at his finger tips?
(Puts out the bat signal...He'll come...just wait)  |
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air76
Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Why are our wages so low? |
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| I was here years ago (2001) and I'm earning about the same as then. What is going on? Our pay should be at least 3.0 million won a month. This is awful! |
When I first lived in Korea back in 2004, most people I knew were making 1.8 million won to start, getting up to 2 million after a couple years of experience. Yes, there were some making more, but that was the norm. Now, the minimum is 2.0-2.1, and the norm is probably 2.2 million, with people who have a couple years experience making more like 2.3-2.4 as a base. So, wages have gone up...what you mean to say is that you'd LIKE TO make 3 million won...and you can make 3 million if you get the right job with overtime.
Try teaching anywhere else in the world and you'll find that ESL teachers in Korea make way more money (although places like Vietnam and China are close behind, and of course you can make good money in Japan as well, but not as easily as you can here) |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I made 1.1mil a month back in 96.
When I left Korea in 2006, I was making 3.2mil or 3.3mil.
Jobs didn't start paying more. You have to know how to get above the basics. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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While the focus of this thread is on making money, I'd like to remind everyone that hard currency isn't the only thing we work for that is valued. Making "money", I am presuming, is being measured (in this thread) as the ability for someone to make "X" amount of WON in a month. However, I don't feel it is adequate to only measure the salary per month.
Here's a hypothetical.
Person A
Salary = 3,000,000 a month
Hours worked = 11 hours per week
Vacation = 3 months paid
Free apartment = 400,000 a month
Won per hours worked = 68,181 per hour (based on a 4 week month)
Person B
Salary = 3,000,000 a month
Hours worked = 20 hours per week
Vacation = 3 months paid
Free apartment = 400,000 a month
Won per hours worked = 37,500 per hour (based on a 4 week month)
As you can see, Person A is making out far better than Person B. Of course, I didn't include extraneous variables such as utility bills, food, extra money opportunities, etc., but you get the point.
Moreover, either person can save minimally 1,000,000 a month on that salary. Thus, salaries, in a sense, have gone up if you reduce the amount of hours worked.
I don't know, but this is how I view things and I am surprised that so many people on here focus on the WON per month rather than the whole package. Essentially, OP, wages have gone up if you look at the WON per hour ratio as well as the ability for someone to save money now compared to the past. |
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