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I chose Korea! what's my very first step in the process??
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Ronnie555



Joined: 15 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: I chose Korea! what's my very first step in the process?? Reply with quote

It may seem like I haven't done any work to some, but I've honestly spent the entire last month deciding where I want to teach ESL after college. Mexico, Panama, Uruguay, Czech Republic, Romania, Taiwan, Thailand, HongKong..... the list goes on forever.

I finally decided on Korea, but now I feel like I have no idea where to start. I graduate school this spring, and would like to leave for Korea sometime this summer (june-august), and hopefully get a job in the fall. What is the best way for me to go about doing this? I really want to be in Busan as well. I'm not sure how difficult it is to get a job in Busan compared with other areas in South Korea, hopefully someone can tell me this.

Anyway, what's the very first thing I need to do? now that I've chosen Korea. Should I look at job postings online and send out my resume? talk to a recruiter? what.

thanks in advance for the help !
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SeoulMan99



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel free to talk to recruiters now to get an idea about the liklihood of finding a job in Busan, etc. But, specific jobs do not hit the market until 2-3 months before they are to be filled. So, you aren't going to be applying for a job in August until around May or June at least. Basically where you are right now you can't do much besides educate yourself on what to expect etc. Don't get the criminal check until closer to when you are applying since they are only good for six months. The other documents get together when you're applying also.

From what i've seen jobs in Busan are more difficult to come across than Seoul. You can try to find a job there, but I believe you will have a more difficult time than finding one in Seoul or other cities. I was told by a recruiter that the local economy there was hit harder than most of Korea (not sure on the validity of that?).

Things I would do now:
* Start learning Korean.
* Maybe get a 100hr TESOL
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Ronnie555



Joined: 15 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulMan99 wrote:
Feel free to talk to recruiters now to get an idea about the liklihood of finding a job in Busan, etc. But, specific jobs do not hit the market until 2-3 months before they are to be filled. So, you aren't going to be applying for a job in August until around May or June at least. Basically where you are right now you can't do much besides educate yourself on what to expect etc. Don't get the criminal check until closer to when you are applying since they are only good for six months. The other documents get together when you're applying also.

From what i've seen jobs in Busan are more difficult to come across than Seoul. You can try to find a job there, but I believe you will have a more difficult time than finding one in Seoul or other cities. I was told by a recruiter that the local economy there was hit harder than most of Korea (not sure on the validity of that?).

Things I would do now:
* Start learning Korean.
* Maybe get a 100hr TESOL


thanks for the response. I guess it's good that I can't do too much right away, because I still have 1 semester left of college before I graduate, and I have to make sure I don't lose focus on that...

I'll look into a 100hr TESOL like you said. I sort of gathered from other posts that certifications aren't all that important in Korea though? If it only costs 100-200 dollars or so I'll get certified so I'll be better at teaching, but if it costs 1000+ I'll be hesitant to pay, unless the information about getting jobs without TEFL/TESOL is innacurate.
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SeoulMan99



Joined: 02 Aug 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronnie - A tesol/tefl certainly isn't necessary. That said, the only thing it could do is help you. You'd probably be able to do a cheap one online, though then again I don't know if it would help that much. I have just a 50hr one, and the recruiters I spoke with said it was better than not having it. I wouldn't pay too much for it though.
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Ronnie555



Joined: 15 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulMan99 wrote:
Ronnie - A tesol/tefl certainly isn't necessary. That said, the only thing it could do is help you. You'd probably be able to do a cheap one online, though then again I don't know if it would help that much. I have just a 50hr one, and the recruiters I spoke with said it was better than not having it. I wouldn't pay too much for it though.


thanks. I tried to pm you but it said I need 25 posts haha

But you're very helpful, I appreciate it ty
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SeoulMan99



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem. I try to help people with what I know so far.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You remind me of myself nearly ten years ago when I was also choosing which country to teach in and went to Busan. You can look at my site (http://keneckert.com/esl) if that helps. I taught in Mexico and had a blast but it was not enough money to pay student debts.

Some are better than others, but I would avoid recruiters, who are usually much more interested in getting their commission than in placing a happy teacher. Look at the Dave's job listings and try to find openings for one school in Busan rather than one which has "anywhere you like"!

A TEFL certificate or some other program will be of some help in finding a job, but it will be of more help in preparing you as a teacher.

Welcome to the forum. Try to keep a thick skin on Dave's.
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Ronnie555



Joined: 15 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
You remind me of myself nearly ten years ago when I was also choosing which country to teach in and went to Busan. You can look at my site (http://keneckert.com/esl) if that helps. I taught in Mexico and had a blast but it was not enough money to pay student debts.

Some are better than others, but I would avoid recruiters, who are usually much more interested in getting their commission than in placing a happy teacher. Look at the Dave's job listings and try to find openings for one school in Busan rather than one which has "anywhere you like"!

A TEFL certificate or some other program will be of some help in finding a job, but it will be of more help in preparing you as a teacher.

Welcome to the forum. Try to keep a thick skin on Dave's.


Thanks for the response! I'll definitely check out your website tomorrow when I have time.

I'll take your advice and look directly at job listings, starting with the listings on this website, rather than looking for recruiters. I guess I'll just use recruiters as a last resort, or as a 2nd option/backup plan.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell us where you're from. Different countries have different application processes for your work visa. If you're from one that requires apostilles, learn what an apostille is, how to get it, and why it is needed.
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Ronnie555



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Tell us where you're from. Different countries have different application processes for your work visa. If you're from one that requires apostilles, learn what an apostille is, how to get it, and why it is needed.


USA
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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, Ronnie. You will definitely need to have your freshly minted sheep skin apostilled come graduation. Not the diploma itself, but a copy of it. A copy made and notarizied by the appropriate official from whichever state you are from. Google 'apostille' for your state to learn the proceedure--some states do it differently. Stay away from any third party agencies that do it for a fee, you'll have plenty of fees to pay doing this on your own and there have been some horror stories of it not being as timely as going to the state agencies yourself. Your criminal background check may need to be apostilled too?

There have also be many horror stories here about people who sent their original degrees just to never see them again. Learn the purpose of an apostille--it's a legal true copy for international documentation.

And be prepared to order about half a dozen sealed transcripts when your final grades come out. Some to use for the job you decide to apply for, and a couple to keep in your personal files for future use.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Your criminal background check may need to be apostilled too?


Yes it will.
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Ronnie555



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Ok, Ronnie. You will definitely need to have your freshly minted sheep skin apostilled come graduation. Not the diploma itself, but a copy of it. A copy made and notarizied by the appropriate official from whichever state you are from. Google 'apostille' for your state to learn the proceedure--some states do it differently. Stay away from any third party agencies that do it for a fee, you'll have plenty of fees to pay doing this on your own and there have been some horror stories of it not being as timely as going to the state agencies yourself. Your criminal background check may need to be apostilled too?

There have also be many horror stories here about people who sent their original degrees just to never see them again. Learn the purpose of an apostille--it's a legal true copy for international documentation.

And be prepared to order about half a dozen sealed transcripts when your final grades come out. Some to use for the job you decide to apply for, and a couple to keep in your personal files for future use.


so apostilles are like a legal verified copy of an original document I'm guessing? so I don't have to give out my actual transcript?

I'll google it, thanks
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Kikomom



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ronnie555 wrote:
so apostilles are like a legal verified copy of an original document I'm guessing? so I don't have to give out my actual transcript?

I'll google it, thanks

You will need an apostilled copy of your degree, AND sealed transcripts. Providing sealed transcripts is a common practice for many places of professional employment, not just esl teaching overseas.

What I'm trying to say there, Ronnie, is to look at this from the employers side and understand the process from the Korean perspective. It's not just between you and the school you apply to. It will involve Korean Immigration both inside Korea and with a Korean consulate in your home country. It's about verifying that you are who you say you are and that the school you are graduating from is an accredited university. This is for the protection of the children you will be working with. Korea wants to know all this before they issue you a work visa. Your employer in Korea sponsors your visa with their country.

A good recruiter will walk you thru all this. Schools who have employed English teachers in the past understand the process too--they are the ones dealing with Korean Immigration on that side. Both during your hiring process and after your arrival when you are issued an Alien Registration {Residency?} Card (ARC)--what we call a 'Green Card' in the states.
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Ronnie555



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Ronnie555 wrote:
so apostilles are like a legal verified copy of an original document I'm guessing? so I don't have to give out my actual transcript?

I'll google it, thanks

You will need an apostilled copy of your degree, AND sealed transcripts. Providing sealed transcripts is a common practice for many places of professional employment, not just esl teaching overseas.

What I'm trying to say there, Ronnie, is to look at this from the employers side and understand the process from the Korean perspective. It's not just between you and the school you apply to. It will involve Korean Immigration both inside Korea and with a Korean consulate in your home country. It's about verifying that you are who you say you are and that the school you are graduating from is an accredited university. This is for the protection of the children you will be working with. Korea wants to know all this before they issue you a work visa. Your employer in Korea sponsors your visa with their country.

A good recruiter will walk you thru all this. Schools who have employed English teachers in the past understand the process too--they are the ones dealing with Korean Immigration on that side. Both during your hiring process and after your arrival when you are issued an Alien Registration {Residency?} Card (ARC)--what we call a 'Green Card' in the states.


sounds complicated. especially if i don't use a recruiter. Fortunately I live close to the Korean consulate in my state, so that should help me deal with them.
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