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If you ruled Korea...what 5 laws would you make?
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject:

You bring it up when it is not relevant, in your eternal "meh same same" crusade. Women become prostitutes because organized crime cannot sell drugs? You're going to stand by that one?

Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:14 pm Post subject:

Steelrails, I am going to have to disagree with you on this one. I think it has more to do with the history of Korea. After all, it used to be that during the Joseon Dynasty, men could have second wives and concubines. In fact, prostitution has been present in Korea for a very long time now. http://www.rjkoehler.com/2006/09/29/the-oldest-profession-in-choson/

Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject:

tiger fancini wrote:

Julius wrote:

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

It exists here for the same reason it exists in pretty much every other country around the world. My point, again, is that Korean women have plenty of options for employment

"You going to take up that high-paying management job offer, dear?"
-"No thanks mom, I think I'll stick with being a ho. Going bareback with 100 strange old men every week has more prospects I think".

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No I'm not saying that. Why would you interpret what I have written in that way?

But you are exactly saying that. You're saying that despite having numerous good alternative employment options, a million Korean women willingly prefer to be prostitutes rather than take career jobs.

Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject:

Konglishman wrote:

In fact, prostitution has been present in Korea for a very long time now.

Yes, and so has the disadvantaged status of women. The two go hand in hand.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject:

Old Gil wrote:

You bring it up when it is not relevant, in your eternal "meh same same" crusade.

Women become prostitutes because organized crime cannot sell drugs? You're going to stand by that one?

I'm talking about how back home a girl could flip a QP of weed (good for about 400 extra bucks) every couple of weeks (or more or less) while working at her counter job and not have to go out and turn a trick or two or start stripping.

Not all sex industry workers are the forced in type. Some do it as supplementary income.

Same with selling weed.

It's not about whether or not organized crime can sell, it's about the fact that there is low consumer demand for coke, X, and weed.

Also add in the fact that you don't have tips (another great way for service-industry employed women) to make the cash they need so as not to get in the sex industry.

So yes, before you go Confucian culture this and women not valued that blah blah blah, look at other factors first. I'm sorry but the fact that you are so quick to use that reason says that you are not approaching the situation rationally.

Now I'll bet that Confucian Culture and gender inequality IS a factor for prostitution but I don't know if its more of a factor than the other things.

I firmly believe that money talks over culture, so I'll always look at economic fators first over cultural ones, but I won't rule either out.

Also the lack of a Welfare system, which I support, (as in free money for not working) might have something to do with the number of people involved in the sex industry.

Like I said, most women are sensible enough to suck it up at their service job, but some don't want to be walking around in off-brand clothes, eating Family Mart food and living in a tiny apartment with mom and dad.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:52 pm Post subject:

Julius wrote:

[q

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

?

According to the National Task Force on Prostitution, about 1 million women are prostitutes in North America.

So I ask you "Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?"

http://www.veronicasvoice.org/statistics.html

Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Julius wrote:

[q

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

?

So, this means that 1 out of every 150 women in America is a prostitute while 1 out of every 25 women in Korea is a prostitute. In short, prostitution is roughly 6 times more common in Korea than in America on a per capita basis.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject:

Julius wrote:

tiger fancini wrote:

Julius wrote:

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

It exists here for the same reason it exists in pretty much every other country around the world. My point, again, is that Korean women have plenty of options for employment

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No I'm not saying that. Why would you interpret what I have written in that way?

Only he didn't say that. You are changing the goalposts in an attempt to win the argument.

He said "...Korean women have plenty of options for employment."

YOU said " You're saying despite having numerous good alternative employment options, a million Korean women willingly prefer to be prostitutes rather than take career jobs"

He never said that they were good or bad. Putting that qualifier in there changes the whole meaning (as you are doubtless aware). Nor did he suggest that they were "career jobs"...again that's just you being disingenuous.

Stalin84

Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject:

Konglishman wrote:

Its actually more like 1 out of 10, in Korea. I've heard that statistic numerous times. I'll try to back it up when I'm not at work.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject:

Konglishman wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Julius wrote:

[q

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

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Per capita has nothing to do with this argument though. He asked why would such a massive industry employing 1M women exist. He was suggesting that such a number means that Korean women are forced to choose between prostitution and marriage. I merely showed that this is not the case.

Plus if you read the article, you will see that that number is nothing more than a GUESS. Even the number of 500,000 does not have a citation for it. And it's an article, not a study.

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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject:

Julius wrote:

tiger fancini wrote:

Julius wrote:

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

It exists here for the same reason it exists in pretty much every other country around the world. My point, again, is that Korean women have plenty of options for employment

Perhaps in your twisted fantasy land? Where do you get it from??

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No I'm not saying that. Why would you interpret what I have written in that way?

Julius wrote:

You got a little bit of this right I suppose. I said they have numerous employment opportunities.

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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject:

Stalin84 wrote:

Konglishman wrote:

Its actually more like 1 out of 10, in Korea. I've heard that statistic numerous times. I'll try to back it up when I'm not at work.

I'd figure a lot are brought in from other countries. A Korean girl can just up and leave, while a poor Philippina can't without her passport.

Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:07 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

Old Gil wrote:

You bring it up when it is not relevant, in your eternal "meh same same" crusade.

Women become prostitutes because organized crime cannot sell drugs? You're going to stand by that one?

So you're equating a girl setting up her sexual organs as an amusement park for strangers with a college student flipping a QP and smoking for free? I'm just trying to get this straight here.

Konglishman

Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:08 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Konglishman wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Julius wrote:

[q

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

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I didn't realize that was his argument. No, I would say it exists due to its previous history in Korea and continues to exist because prostitution is actually a highly profession in Korea.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject:

Konglishman wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Konglishman wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

Julius wrote:

[q

Why would such a massive industry, employing 1M women exist if those women had plentiful other legitimate career options?

?

I didn't realize that was his argument. No, I would say it exists due to its previous history in Korea and continues to exist because prostitution is actually a highly profession in Korea.

You are aware though that this figure of 1 million (in Korea) is nothing more than speculation? Read the two links Julius provided again. Even the figure of 500,000 (in the first one) does not provide a citation. So I'll call B.S on this one until someone provides a citation with government facts and figures....like the one I provided. NOT a couple of unsourced articles.

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