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Geckoman
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: More Men Marrying Wealthier Women |
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Don't worry, I'm sure it will be turned into something sexist soon enough. "Men who marry wealthier women are objectifying them, using them as a source of material comfort, rather than treating them as equal human beings." |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| He was extremely insecure about my career and how successful I am,� Ms. Zielinski said. |
Odd. The New York Times has presented only one side of the story. How unusual. I wonder what her boyfriend's input would have been, had he been given the opportunity to voice his perspective.
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| �We�ve known for some time that men need marriage more than women from the standpoint of physical and mental well-being,� said Stephanie Coontz, a professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., and research director for the Council on Contemporary Families, a research and advocacy group. �Now it is becoming increasingly important to their economic well-being as well.� |
We have known this for some time, Stephanie? Oh really? What study can you cite?
Women don't need men for physical and mental well being? It begs the question, then: what do they need them for?
Have you noticed how common it is to see men belittled for having physical and emotional needs? It is a very subtle form of shaming which women readers obviously love. It is also a common motif in advertisitng.
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| �Among all married couples,� the report said, �wives contribute a growing share of the household income, and a rising share of those couples include a wife who earns more than her husband.� |
This is true. However, the statistics show that this is largely because the global meltdown has effected men's employment opportunities much worse than women's.
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| �I�m not married, I would like to be married, and my friends are all in a similar situation,� said Dr. Rajalla Prewitt, a 38-year-old psychiatrist in New Jersey. �We�re having difficulty finding someone where there�s a meeting of the minds, where we can have the same goals and values.� |
Maybe it's not her income so much as that she's a biyatch.
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| �Particularly, African-American men who are educated want a traditional home where they are the breadwinner,� said Dr. Prewitt, who is a black woman. |
Of course, the NYT has to mention that it is a black woman speaking, otherwise they could be accused of racism. (It's okay to say that as long as it's a black person saying it) 
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| But some women find that the dating pressures are intense. Syreeta McFadden, a 35-year-old Columbia and Sarah Lawrence graduate who is between jobs after working in real estate development, said: �With men of any ethnic group, it�s a little intimidating for them to encounter smart women. Money is tricky. |
Why is it that feminists are always asserting that men are intimidated by them? It seems to be a cornerstone of feminist thought. Of course, it can neither be proven or disproven:
Woman: Why are you so intimidated by my wealth, prestige, and success?
Man: Huh? I'm not intimidated. What's got into you?
Woman: We-he-hell. There, you see? You're obviously inimidated, otherwise you wouldn't deny it.
Man: Huh?
Woman: (sigh) Men...they're so insecure with my success.
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| Elaine Richardson, who is in her 50s, is divorced and owns a health care consulting firm in Westchester, said that men �call you high maintenance if you look like you don�t need anyone to take care of you.� |
I hate to break it to you, Elaine, but that's not why you can't get a date
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| Ms. Zielinski, the fashion stylist, said her best friend, a man, told her once: � �You are confident, have good credit, own your own business, travel around the world and are self-sufficient. What man is going to want you?� He laughed, but I found that pretty depressing.� |
Pure feminist propaganda. No wonder the New York Times is quickly becoming a non sequitir. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow! Good job Trevor. Good post! |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| What an insufferable article. I'm going to spend the next 2 hours reading roissy in DC to cleanse my mind. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Men dont want these women because they are old and saggy. |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| It's annoying to see these articles which are more like opinion pieces. I could just as easily find some women who would say the opposite. My mother makes more money than my stepfather and it's not a problem for them. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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The NYT writes for the North Eastern wannabe elite (the real elite read the WSJ and Barron's). So, the examples of successful women the NYT offers us are stylists, consultant and a real estate (criminal, no doubt) hack.
The reality is that lower middle class and lower class family units where the women earns more are likely to see the male in a labour job and the women is some traditionally female job like nursing and teaching. It just so happens that wild illegal immigration and retarded trade policy have driven the wages of labour down and unions have driven the wages of nurses and teachers up. This is unsustainable. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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What irks me about this piece is not the story itself: The financial meltdown has hit men harder than women and that is of course going to filter down to the level of group dynamics.
What is troubling is the feminist rhetoric that has become so entrenched in anything the NYT and other similar publications use to describe the phenomenon:
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| �He was extremely insecure about my career and how successful I am,� |
Says who?
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| �We�ve known for some time that men need marriage more than women from the standpoint of physical and mental well-being,� |
Really? Says who? No study cited?
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| African-American men who are educated want a traditional home where they are the breadwinner |
Really? Says who?
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| �With men of any ethnic group, it�s a little intimidating for them to encounter smart women." |
All men of all ethnic groups are intimidated by smart women? Really? Says who, besides the New York Times? (Oh, she went to Sarah lawrence. Haven of the most dreadful snobs on the planet).
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| �Do you have a passport and a library card?� |
And you're blaming men for having preferences?
The assumptions, all anectdotal, and stated as endemic, portrays women as these champions of independence and industry while the men are protrayed as insecure, intimidated, and needy.
Who is the target audience for this sort of journalism, and why is that audience so receptive of these negative portrayals? It is one thing to complain about negative stereotypes against women. It is quite another to partake in equally negative and erroneous stereotypes against men.
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Who is the target audience for this sort of journalism |
Lonely, ugly, bitter, childless women who earn more than 40k/yr and beta-males. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread has been cracking me up with each new post. Keep it up! |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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�We�ve known for some time that men need [sex] more than women from the standpoint of physical and mental well-being,�
[We've also known for some time that serial monogamy characterizes human - but particularly male - sex and marriage patterns, meaning, even if the original claim is correct, men need marriage to two or more different women during a lifetime and, in a statistically significant number of cases, tend to lose interest in their wives and partners as the latter's fertility declines in middle age] |
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The article is total crap from beginning to end, but women like her don't want their views rebutted or even challenged, since it constitutes a profound personal affront to them. Just smile, say "that's nice, dear" and forgedaboudit.
If only women would stop sanctifying femininity. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Just smile, say "that's nice, dear" and forgedaboudit |
That's mostly what men do, and there is some merit towards that attitude.
My question is -- if women are going to generate these stereotypes about men as they approach "equality", then why on God's green earth should we support their efforts?
This makes me think that there is never going to be any true equality. The economy has been on the rocks for the past several years, which, as we know, has had the side-effect of bringing economic equality to a lot of women. By the looks of it, they are going to take their small gain and lord it over men, belittle them, tell them they are insecure and intimidated with no real evidence to back up those unprovable claims, and generally do everything they can to get the upper hand and mentally emasculate men to the fullest extent possible.
F--- them. Why deal? I think I'll just keep up with the 'vast conspiracy' we have supposedly been holding for ages
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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With regards to the impact of marriage on the health of men and women, here's some data. Scroll down to the paired graphs. The gap between the lines represents the statistical benefits of marriage with respect to life expectancy. As you can see, for most of the graph, the gap (and thus the benefit) is larger for men than women.
The most interesting part, though, lies at the end of each graph. For men, the gap suddenly vanishes. For women, it suddenly becomes much larger. What event is most likely to occur late in a married person's life? The death of one's spouse, of course. Married women's life expectancies increase if their husband dies before them, and men's life expectancies go down if their wife dies first.
A number of other studies bear this out. I think it's pretty clear marriage has more benefit for men than women with regards to physical health, if nothing else. It's not feminist propaganda, it's just true. Both genders gain health benefits from being married, but men gain more. The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. The ideal situation for a woman is to have a husband who she outlives. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
| My question is -- if women are going to generate these stereotypes about men as they approach "equality", then why on God's green earth should we support their efforts? |
Because social, economic, and ethical equality of opportunity are a good thing. If women choose to abuse that equality of opportunity by indulging in ignorant bigotry, then we must simply refute them. |
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