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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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 Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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With regards to the impact of marriage on the health of men and women, here's some data. Scroll down to the paired graphs. The gap between the lines represents the statistical benefits of marriage with respect to life expectancy. As you can see, for most of the graph, the gap (and thus the benefit) is larger for men than women.
The most interesting part, though, lies at the end of each graph. For men, the gap suddenly vanishes. For women, it suddenly becomes much larger. What event is most likely to occur late in a married person's life? The death of one's spouse, of course. Married women's life expectancies increase if their husband dies before them, and men's life expectancies go down if their wife dies first.
A number of other studies bear this out. I think it's pretty clear marriage has more benefit for men than women with regards to physical health, if nothing else. It's not feminist propaganda, it's just true. Both genders gain health benefits from being married, but men gain more. The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. The ideal situation for a woman is to have a husband who she outlives. |
As for married men living longer: its a quanitiy of life vs. quality of life argument. Unmarried men get to drink more, more sex partners, more discretionary income and less nagging. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| conrad2 wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
With regards to the impact of marriage on the health of men and women, here's some data. Scroll down to the paired graphs. The gap between the lines represents the statistical benefits of marriage with respect to life expectancy. As you can see, for most of the graph, the gap (and thus the benefit) is larger for men than women.
The most interesting part, though, lies at the end of each graph. For men, the gap suddenly vanishes. For women, it suddenly becomes much larger. What event is most likely to occur late in a married person's life? The death of one's spouse, of course. Married women's life expectancies increase if their husband dies before them, and men's life expectancies go down if their wife dies first.
A number of other studies bear this out. I think it's pretty clear marriage has more benefit for men than women with regards to physical health, if nothing else. It's not feminist propaganda, it's just true. Both genders gain health benefits from being married, but men gain more. The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. The ideal situation for a woman is to have a husband who she outlives. |
As for married men living longer: its a quanitiy of life vs. quality of life argument. Unmarried men get to drink more, more sex partners, more discretionary income and less nagging. |
Well, this is why I limited myself to a discussion of physical health benefits rather than claims about either quality of life or mental health benefits. It's up to any individual man to consider what qualities he cares to pursue in life. |
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Trevor
Joined: 16 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| My question is -- if women are going to generate these stereotypes about men as they approach "equality", then why on God's green earth should we support their efforts? |
Because social, economic, and ethical equality of opportunity are a good thing. If women choose to abuse that equality of opportunity by indulging in ignorant bigotry, then we must simply refute them. |
"Ethical equality of opportunity"?  |
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SeoulFinn
Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Men are afraid of smart women? Really? That's the only kind I'm willing to date or marry!
I'm sure that I'm not the only guy out here, who doesn't want to end up sharing his life with a stunning air-head. I, and many like me, want my woman to have a great mind and sense of humor. The rest is just a bonus! |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Trevor wrote: |
| My question is -- if women are going to generate these stereotypes about men as they approach "equality", then why on God's green earth should we support their efforts? |
Because social, economic, and ethical equality of opportunity are a good thing. If women choose to abuse that equality of opportunity by indulging in ignorant bigotry, then we must simply refute them. |
"Ethical equality of opportunity"? |
Although I admit it sounds a bit awkward, what I refer to is the opportunity to be judged by the same ethical standards, whether that be beneficial or detrimental. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:57 am Post subject: |
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While the anecdotes in the article are a little lame, I can see how the thesis could be true.
During this economic crash, a rich girl is the only way a lot of guys can afford to have kids or health insurance.
A huge problem is alimony. The way alimony laws are structured in the US, if a man marries a lady who makes less money, he's likely to get screwed during the divorce, lose the house, and will probably have to pay alimony. But if the woman earns more, it's likely he won't have to pay any or might even, as in the case of Joan Lunden's ex-husband, get to ride the alimony gravy train himself. 
Over the years, I've heard girlfriends talk to their friends and sometimes to me about how much alimony and child support they were getting. You would not believe how much the courts make these men pay. And I've seen these women spend their child support checks on stupid things like boob jobs, new cars, alcoholic beverages, gasoline to come over to my place, and other things that did not benefit their children.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who wouldn't marry one of these women and be an alimony paying sad sack sentenced to years in financial Hell. To borrow a quote from bin Laden, "Happy is he who learns from the mistakes of others'." 
A masterpiece book on this topic even if you don't like the band Kiss (I don't) is "Sex Money Kiss" by Gene Simmons. |
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Jeonmunka
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox, the emphasis of that article states that all people who stay married tend to live longer. The article blesses marriage for both men and women. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Jeonmunka wrote: |
| Fox, the emphasis of that article states that all people who stay married tend to live longer. The article blesses marriage for both men and women. |
And so do the Australian statistics I presented. Men and women both experience longevity benefits from marriage. Men just experience more. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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| The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. |
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Why does this confuse you? Statistics imply that if a man's wife dies before him, his life expectancy drops. If his wife outlives him, statistically he's more likely to live longer. Which would be better for you? Outliving your wife but only making it to 80, or your wife outliving you but making it to 85?
I think it's fairly simple. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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| The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. |
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Why does this confuse you? Statistics imply that if a man's wife dies before him, his life expectancy drops. If his wife outlives him, statistically he's more likely to live longer. Which would be better for you? Outliving your wife but only making it to 80, or your wife outliving you but making it to 85?
I think it's fairly simple. |
Statistics also imply that if a man dies his life expectancy drops... much more than if his wife dies before him. Or am I confused about that? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
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| The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. |
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Why does this confuse you? Statistics imply that if a man's wife dies before him, his life expectancy drops. If his wife outlives him, statistically he's more likely to live longer. Which would be better for you? Outliving your wife but only making it to 80, or your wife outliving you but making it to 85?
I think it's fairly simple. |
Statistics also imply that if a man dies his life expectancy drops... much more than if his wife dies before him. Or am I confused about that? |
Yeah, you are being confused about that. Your wife dying before you or after you is a factor independent of your actual death. If your wife outliving you means you live longer, it's in your interest that your wife outlives you. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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| The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. |
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Why does this confuse you? Statistics imply that if a man's wife dies before him, his life expectancy drops. If his wife outlives him, statistically he's more likely to live longer. Which would be better for you? Outliving your wife but only making it to 80, or your wife outliving you but making it to 85?
I think it's fairly simple. |
Statistics also imply that if a man dies his life expectancy drops... much more than if his wife dies before him. Or am I confused about that? |
Yeah, you are being confused about that. Your wife dying before you or after you is a factor independent of your actual death. If your wife outliving you means you live longer, it's in your interest that your wife outlives you. |
Impossible. It can never be in one's best interest to die. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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| The ideal situation for a man is to have a wife that outlives him. |
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Why does this confuse you? Statistics imply that if a man's wife dies before him, his life expectancy drops. If his wife outlives him, statistically he's more likely to live longer. Which would be better for you? Outliving your wife but only making it to 80, or your wife outliving you but making it to 85?
I think it's fairly simple. |
Statistics also imply that if a man dies his life expectancy drops... much more than if his wife dies before him. Or am I confused about that? |
Yeah, you are being confused about that. Your wife dying before you or after you is a factor independent of your actual death. If your wife outliving you means you live longer, it's in your interest that your wife outlives you. |
Impossible. It can never be in one's best interest to die. |
You're going to die eventually no matter what. What's under consideration is how your wife's life span affects yours.
Which is better for you:
1) Your wife living 75 years and you living 80.
2) Your wife living 90 years and you living 85.
If you can't see #2 is better for you, then you're frankly too much a fool to bother with. If you can see #2 is better for you, then your obviously invalid pseudo-argument falls apart. Which is it? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Of course #2 is better.
But we could also have:
3) You living to 90 and your wife living to 85.
Or any number of variables in which the man outlives the woman.
By the way, any length of time that the wife outlives the man is irrelevant; it cannot affect his health. You dig me? |
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