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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:18 am    Post subject: Good mid and small cars Reply with quote

Just looking at buying a new car (used car). Wondering what folks would choose for a small, affordable, reliable car.

So far my top choice is the i30 or i30CW due to its safety ratings (much higher than other small Korean cars) and style (I'm a hatch back, wagon kinda guy).

However, I don't need a new car, so no point wasting money.

So far the Hyundai Avante is looking pretty good, got some very high marks from JD Power in the US (2009), but the 2005s seem pretty good too. Problem is...it's ugly (nice by Korean car standards...but really the ugly duckling of the new batch of cars coming out). For about 6 mil you can get a respectable used Avante.

The KIA Forte, ranked number 4 by U.S.News. Draw back is its new and few used models available.

Hyundai Click (Getz) - small, cheap, good little engine, but low on safety. I have to admit though, I like this little car. It would make a fun little racer and look good with a nice setof rims (I'm a sucker for boxy cars with nice rims....ahh if the Golf wasn't so outrageously priced here!!)

Samsung SM3 or 5, but I know little about them. The new SM3 looks pretty nice, the older ones...kinda boring.

Currently looking at a Hyundai LaVita, a little older than I wanted, but good condition and seems to be a worthy ride able to fit loads of stuff in it. Good little car designed in Italy and still sold in Europe as the Matrix.

Any other cars I'm missing here?
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking really hard at the SM3 until I saw how much it costs to repair Samsung cars. They are the most expensive, followed by Ssangyoung. As someone who buys used in Korea, I care about repair costs.
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: Good mid and small cars Reply with quote

earthbound14 wrote:
Just looking at buying a new car (used car). Wondering what folks would choose for a small, affordable, reliable car.

Samsung SM3 or 5, but I know little about them. The new SM3 looks pretty nice, the older ones...kinda boring.


The Samsung cars based on the Nissan Maxima should be as reliable as death and taxes. There are dozens of guys on the fourth generation Maxima forums reporting over 300,000 miles on their cars on the original engine. A couple of guys are approaching 900,000 miles. The VQ engine was in Ward's top ten list 14 years in a row. When the fourth gen Max was released in 95, it won MT's Car of the Year award. I assume it's reliability is one of the reasons why so many Korean taxi cab drivers own the car. I think it's a good size for a small family, gets about 21 MPG in mixed driving, and should be very affordable.

When checking any used car, I'd look into whether any airbags are missing. Seems to be a way for sellers to cheap out, by either selling the airbag or not replacing a deployed one. There was an article of some kid who died in a head-on collision and they found that the used car dealer never bothered to replaced the missing airbag.
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Toju



Joined: 06 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The SM3 was, until recently, a really bad car for anyone over the height of 165 as there were design floors in the sitting position resulting in serious back problems for anyone over that height. It is a really bland car inside and is nothing special on the outside.

However, luckily for you, I do have an Avante X16 for sale. Registered January 2008, just under 26k on the clock, recently had the oil done - been good about that too - and is black. It is the premier edition, meaning it is the top spec - 6 CD MP3, half leather seats, sunroof, and all the rest. Going to sell it to a dealer as that is easier for us, but if you want it.....at the end of February.
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rmparent



Joined: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the 2010 SM3. I like it a lot but my only real complaint is that it's underpowered (1.6L engine; about 110 hp). Power was never an issue back home but coming here you need it going up and over all the hills.

I think it's pretty good value (about 20 million KRW) with all the bells and whistles like heated leather seats, sunroof, push button start, bluetooth, etc.

Everyone I knew that owned a Renault Samsung car was very satisfied especially with the service. I got rear ended today for the 2nd time (I had the car for 4 months). The damage was almost non-existent and they said that they could paint over the minor scratches but I decided to replace the whole bumper (may as well as the guy who hit me insurance will pay for it; about 600,000 KRW). The service people were very nice and efficient and gave me a free loaner car (courtesy of buddy's insurance) until they fix it. Whole process took less than 15 minutes. I replaced the bumper the first time as well and it took about 2 days. This time it should take around the same time.

Renault Samsung uses Nissan powertrain and engines so they're very reliable. My friend bought an SM5 about 5 years ago brand new for about 25 million KRW and sold it 3 years later to a dealer for 15 million KRW (was actually expecting to get around 13 million KRW). 10 million KRW for 3 years worth of driving a new car isn't bad at all.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not in the market anymore, but humor me Toju.. what does an Avante X16 used go for ?
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g35doc



Joined: 07 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2005 Elantra (Avante) in the U.S. It's a 2.0L version with 138 horsepower. It's damn slow but it gets decent gas mileage and never had any reliability issues. Overall, not a bad car for the money. I like it better than the 2 Accords I used to own.
Once I get back to the States though I plan on getting a Nissan 370Z as a secondary car. I owned 2 G35 coupes in the past and want something much better than the Genesis coupe. :D
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

g35doc wrote:
Once I get back to the States though I plan on getting a Nissan 370Z as a secondary car. I owned 2 G35 coupes in the past and want something much better than the Genesis coupe. Very Happy


The 370Z is a cool car. Do you mod your cars?
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g35doc



Joined: 07 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very minimally. With the G35s all I had were a 350Z intake tube, K&N air filter, clear side lenses for the front bumper, clear bra, and a set of winter wheels / tires. I had a Stoptech front big brake kit but never ended up installing it.
I plan on leaving the 370Z stock. I am a big believer in always getting the sports package though (and manual trans. of course). With the 370Z it includes 19" forged wheels, summer tires, and big brakes.
Modding is definitely cool but since I'm older now I feel like I get more "bang for the buck" with my favorite hobby which is protected by the 2nd Amendment.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the mazda3 is dope
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Toju



Joined: 06 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
I'm not in the market anymore, but humor me Toju.. what does an Avante X16 used go for ?
Been offered 12,750,000 from a dealer. We have added HDI lights, remote start and changed the horn.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toju wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
I'm not in the market anymore, but humor me Toju.. what does an Avante X16 used go for ?
Been offered 12,750,000 from a dealer. We have added HDI lights, remote start and changed the horn.


You probably saw these (scroll down):

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Toju



Joined: 06 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They hold their value, but selling it through the dealer is easier for us and also it has had to have a new wing which, even though it doesn't affect the car in western times, is a big problem here in the land of the morning calm.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean by a "new wing?"
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Toju



Joined: 06 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mean it can fly.
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