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Honest question to the negative people (so 99% of you)
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joltaxt



Joined: 24 Oct 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Honest question to the negative people (so 99% of you) Reply with quote

Where does it come from?

Where do you guys live?

How long have you been in Korea?

Are you sure you are not just a negative person?

I've been in Seoul for one week. I was living in Japan previously and let me say although it's only been one week, the Koreans have been JUST as friendly to me as the Japanese. Obviously not as polite, because I don't think any country will ever top Japan in that category, but definitely just as helpful.

Before I came here I was ready to be treated like dirt, less than a local, and discriminated against. Again, I realize I've only been here a week but I've yet to run into a rude person and it has been a very welcoming experience. Hell, my second night here I got fried chicken near my apartment, next thing I know two Seoul locals are drinking and we're sharing food together chatting in broken English--I only paid for my chicken and they bought me food and drank me up for free! Good luck getting that kind of hospitality in the United States.

I also like my job. A lot. My co-worker who has been here months and I were agreeing that the internet is so negative towards Korea, and he thinks it may be that we just got lucky with our job. I'm not ashamed to admit my hagwon is awesome, the co-workers haven't had anything bad to say about the place, and I'm not ashamed to admit I enjoy working there.

So to the negative people, where do you get your material from? I live in Seoul, do you live outside of it? Perhaps Koreans are less friendly in the rural areas?

How long have you been here? Maybe you've been here forever and are just old and bitter. Well, sorry but that sucks to be you.

I really want to know.

For once, I actually REGRET doing my research on Korea before coming here. Because clearly in my case, as well as the case of my co-workers the people here are either trolls, bitter, or just don't know what they're talking about.
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morrisonhotel



Joined: 18 Jul 2009
Location: Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queue the "you've been here one week, just you wait" posts....
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Murakano



Joined: 10 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also lived in Japan previously and have been in Korea and on and off for 3 years or so. I always tell people to not use Daves ESL as a barometer of life/teaching ESL in Korea . Everybody says there is a honeymoon phase, which in a sense is true but that can be said of many new countries you start work in.

Life is certainly not as bad as what you read on Daves Laughing Many of those that do come on here are those that signed horrible contracts without doing much research and in some cases only have themselves to blame for signing bad contracts/not looking up blacklists etc.

Also those that do usually end up having a bad time/complain are those that make no effort whatsoever to learn the language, integrate into the culture, make some Korean friends.

I know plenty of people who are happy here and have no need to come on here and vent. I`m here as it`s kind of amusing to read the posts at times Wink

Daves ESL is like the Korean version of Japan`s Gaijinpot . I remember doing my research on there before I went to Japan and everybody was so miserable and negative about Japan , as much as Daves ESL Laughing
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave's is a place where people come to vent, much like you are doing now. That being said, not everyone's experiences are going to be the same, and how people view certain situations can color their experiences differently.

You saw 2 Koreans sitting down with you and sharing food. Someone else might see it as a couple Koreans trying to get a free English lesson or maybe they were taking the piss without you knowing it.

I hope everything is all roses for you, but give it more than a week before you come on here with your soapbox.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For once, I actually REGRET doing my research on Korea before coming here. Because clearly in my case, as well as the case of my co-workers the people here are either trolls, bitter, or just don't know what they're talking about.


So you've decided that Korea is in every way a great place to live and work and that the members on Dave's are all bitter trolls who don't know what they're talking about..........quite a conclusion you've come to there.

Must be great to live in such a zero-sum, black and white world where everything is so well defined........don't you think that other people could have had wildly different experiences from yours? Experiences that range from enjoying Korea immensely to having a pretty miserable time?

It's might just be possible, you know, that not every foreigner in Korea has the exact same personality and situation as you.

You remind me of the poster here, Rock I think his name was......he couldn't understand why everyone wasn't hating Korea like he was......he assumed that what was happening to him in Korea was happening to everyone else too.........strange way of thinking if you ask me.

Everyone is having a different experience here in Korea. No two people or two people's situations are exactly the same.
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OBwannabe



Joined: 16 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not overly negative about Korea. But when I read the title to your post, the first thing found my myself doing was to take a look at your join date. 2009,...says it all.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been in Seoul for one week.


Finish unpacking. Then you can tell the rest of us what to think. Rolling Eyes
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Old Gil



Joined: 26 Sep 2009
Location: Got out! olleh!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's very little day to day that irks me about Korea, it's more of a sum of stupidies and prejudices that have coalesced into a "I'm done with this place" attitude.
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conrad2



Joined: 05 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You havent even been here long enough to have been paid late, or not at all. Its too soon to get the complaints about your teaching from "mystery moms".
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OBwannabe wrote:
I'm not overly negative about Korea. But when I read the title to your post, the first thing found my myself doing was to take a look at your join date. 2009,...says it all.


Join date of this site has nothing to do with time spent in Korea. It really doesn't "say it all", in fact it says nothing more than when his current account was activated.

Having said that, the poster admitted he has only been here a week and is trying to reconcile his observations and the experiences of his co-workers, with what he had read on Dave's.

What do I know, I'll let all you "veterans" tell him how wrong he is.
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themagicbean



Joined: 04 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People are negative on forum boards. Here moreso than other places. There have been threads on that. But do watch your back, there is a definite honeymoon phase that fades.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I generally hate korea, just as much as I hated Ireland/Northern Ireland...alot. Why? Because the vast amount of people everywhere are idiots and sometimes it is too much for me to suffer them.

At this point in time though I like korea because I have a great job and im moving soon so have an excuse to agonize over fitting it out.
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kinerry



Joined: 01 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like how the title of the thread is about other people's cynicism, while at the same time being cynical and assuming 99% of everyone else on the boards are cynics.

Isn't it ironic...don't you think?
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The Goalie



Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Location: Chungcheongnamdo

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in Korea off and on for about a decade now. I love it here but I've been lucky. Not everyone is. I can honestly say that I've never once been badly treated in any serious way because I'm a foreigner. I can, however, say that I've been given the royal treatment on countless occasions as a result of not being Korean. Dave's is, to me, a kind of alternate reality, a looking-glass I can walk through and see a world that is very much like my own but run by a different set of rules. I don't doubt that people have bad experiences here. Some people may even get on a run of bad luck that justifies some of the vitriol that can be found on this site. Enjoy it while you do. When you don't, then leave. I hope you enjoy it for a long time.
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adventurrre



Joined: 18 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every month I've been in Korea has been better than the last. I can say that learning Korean is largely responsible for this, but not exclusively.

When I see ugly, tired looking foreigners on the street or subway I think to myself, "I bet that guy/chick posts a ton of dave's"
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