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Callers across the country have atrocious phone manners

 
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Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:26 pm    Post subject: Callers across the country have atrocious phone manners Reply with quote

America, You Have Atrocious Phone Manners: An AC Experiment on Phone Etiquette
February 03, 2007 by Valerie Ferrari

Psychologists will confirm that the abuse of someone who has less power is a serioius sign of a personality disorder. The clerk at McDonalds or the convienience store or the CSR on the phone; especially the CSR on the phone since the customer is calling from their home. In many cases , these callers would be arrested for disorderly conduct if this behavior were in public.


Receptionists, customer service reps and secretaries all over America agree, as they are pulling out what's left of their hair, that most callers across the country have atrocious phone manners. Never mind the irate callers and disgruntled customers they have to deal with on a regular basis. They're not talking about that. They're talking about the folks who call up and assume that everyone knows who they are, even though these employees are handling several phone lines and typing or writing at the same time. They're talking about the callers who open the conversation up with "Is he in?" as if they expect the receptionist to say: "He sure is, let me put you right through," and then get offended when the receptionist says "May I ask who's calling?"

"Part of my job," says Lynette, a secretary in a law firm, "is to get a coherent message, and a callback number. My boss says 'if you don't have a number, they didn't call'. You'd be amazed at how many people hang up without leaving their number, or say 'He knows it,' if you ask them for their number. Yes, when it comes to clients we have their numbers but it just takes less time in the course of the working day to get it in the conversation, than to stop what you're doing to look it up." Lynette also has to prepare correspondence and legal documents, pay filing fees and office bills while simultaneously taking phone messages, and she simply won't get any work done unless you improve your atrocious phone manners and just say your first and last name, and leave your number.

Cynthia works in a busy real estate office. "You honestly wouldn't believe how many clients with common names just give their first name and expect me to put their call through. No can do. My boss knows a lot of Toms, Johns and Marys. If I buzzed him on the intercom and said 'It's Mary,' you better believe he'd read me the riot act! He even has a sister named Mary, but she at least has the common courtesy to say 'It's his sister, Mary '. "
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would not say I have atrocious phone manners. What I DO have is little patience for ineptitude and inefficiency.

After wading through several phone menus, including giving my account number, it is irritating to have to give it again, answer the security questions, and then do it again after I am transferred to "someone who can help" me. Often, that is not the right person either, so I must go through it all again with someone else. Then of course, I end up getting transferred back to the person I started with. Yes, at this point I may become abusive.

If the person then gives me wrong information, she is in for it. Well, not for just wrong information, but when they insist they are right, and I KNOW they are not. I'll talk to the supervisor and report them, and in fairness, when I get excellent service I report that, too.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I agree that North Americans generally (not all) have what I would call poor telephone manners, I think the article only measures a small part of the problem. The larger problem is abuse of the telephone service as a whole. Companies pretend to offer service by telephone, and then make you jump through confusing menus to discourage you. They hire stupid people to help you for peanuts wages. They call you incessantly to sell you things you don't want or to ask for money. All of these things lead people to think of the telephone as a battleground unless they're talking to friends. Blaming the customer is only half the equation.

When I lived in the states we cut off our home line because it gave us nothing but irritation. Carpet cleaning, charities, political parties, collection agencies with wrong numbers. I had a cell phone but wherever at all possible I did things over the internet.
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:

If the person then gives me wrong information, she is in for it. Well, not for just wrong information, but when they insist they are right, and I KNOW they are not. I'll talk to the supervisor and report them, and in fairness, when I get excellent service I report that, too.


That's fine, but at least give them a chance to figure out they're wrong, first.

I worked in a service position for awhile before, and I was quite pleasant and patient and knew what I was talking about. Had a few people that were quite nasty, though, and I would turn it right around on them to where they looked like complete idiots. Like the lady who was threatening to raise hell and because we were responsible for her lost cell phone charger.

So I said: "Let's start at the beginning: You had a cell phone charger you brought here. It was set down somewhere. When you returned, it wasn't there. Question: Who set the charger down?"

Then she mumbled something foul and hung up.

The problem is that a lot of people call with a preconception that the person on the other line is a complete idiot and is PROUD to be in that particular position. Of course, the fact that a lot of people are in that position because there's no way in hell they are ever going to have another position greatly compounds the problem for the intelligent ones who are only there as a go-between
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I managed truck drivers for eight years, and whenever I would need to call a shipper, a receiver, or anyone else in New Jersey or New York City (but not upstate New York), the people there were disgruntled and upset around 80% of the time. Everywhere else in the USA, rude people were the exception, but in NJ and NYC it was the norm.
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Joined: 06 Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids Iowa

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
I managed truck drivers for eight years, and whenever I would need to call a shipper, a receiver, or anyone else in New Jersey or New York City (but not upstate New York), the people there were disgruntled and upset around 80% of the time. Everywhere else in the USA, rude people were the exception, but in NJ and NYC it was the norm.



I have found from recent experience that Wisconsin ( believe it or not) are the rudest customers in my experience. ( I receive about 400 calls a week)

Then, 20 something girls. Then pregnant women ( I am privy to their condition)

Then 50 to 60 year old men.

Then 70 plus women.

Finally UPS employees. ( not the rudest , but the only company that stands out)
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
I managed truck drivers for eight years, and whenever I would need to call a shipper, a receiver, or anyone else in New Jersey or New York City (but not upstate New York), the people there were disgruntled and upset around 80% of the time. Everywhere else in the USA, rude people were the exception, but in NJ and NYC it was the norm.

So if you called FedEx's NY office, they were rude? Surprised
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Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:


After wading through several phone menus, including giving my account number, it is irritating to have to give it again, answer the security questions, and then do it again after I am transferred to "someone who can help" me. Often, that is not the right person either, so I must go through it all again with someone else. Then of course, I end up getting transferred back to the person I started with. Yes, at this point I may become abusive.



Here here! I remember I would get real frustrated calling Comcat cable back home. After about 30 minutes on hold, then another 20 minutes being transferred back and forth. I would tell one person, "Hey, my internet out. There is only 1 light on the Cable modem. There should be 3 lights. I power cycled both the modem and my PC. Still the same thing. I think you should send someone out there.

They would say, "Hold on while I get someone that can help you." (WTF, what was the point in pressing 5 on the keypad for Repairs?) When that person came on, I'd have to verify my identity, tell them the same thing and they would put me on hold. After 5 minutes they would come back and say, "We need you to power cycle your modem and PC" After about 20 minutes of them instructing me to do something I already did numerous times they FINALLY try to push a signal to the Cable Modem (why didn't they do that in the 1st place?), and then they tell me, "We'll have to send someone out there."

No kidding Captain Obvious. I TOLD YOU IN THE BEGINNING TO SEND SOMEONE OUT!
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Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
While I agree that North Americans generally (not all) have what I would call poor telephone manners, I think the article only measures a small part of the problem. The larger problem is abuse of the telephone service as a whole. Companies pretend to offer service by telephone, and then make you jump through confusing menus to discourage you. They hire stupid people to help you for peanuts wages. They call you incessantly to sell you things you don't want or to ask for money. All of these things lead people to think of the telephone as a battleground unless they're talking to friends. Blaming the customer is only half the equation.

When I lived in the states we cut off our home line because it gave us nothing but irritation. Carpet cleaning, charities, political parties, collection agencies with wrong numbers. I had a cell phone but wherever at all possible I did things over the internet.


In the USA, they do have the "Do not call list". As soon as the option was available, I signed up my family's phone numbers. It cut down on the telemarketing calls like 95%.

I'm not sure if they have it yet or not, but they were talking about creating a "Do Not Call" list for cell phones.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In the USA, they do have the "Do not call list". As soon as the option was available, I signed up my family's phone numbers. It cut down on the telemarketing calls like 95%.

I'm not sure if they have it yet or not, but they were talking about creating a "Do Not Call" list for cell phones.

I'm thankful for Do Not Call, and it did help when I listed. There were certain loopholes, such as political parties (for the US elections), charities, collection agents (for other people), and the occasional lawbreaker, I think!

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Then, 20 something girls.

I would believe it. Always my rudest students when I was a grad assistant.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm interested to know if there is a difference between caller's attitudes when the first thing they hear is a real person or an automated message.

I usually lose my patience in the endless maze of navigating the automated message.

Press 1 for English, Espaniol something dos

Then you go through the menu. When you get to the one you want, it says something like, "Please visit our website."

Hangup, call again, go through a different route.

I've made it a habit to either hit 0 or say "representative" when I get to the first menu. Usually that gets you speaking to someone.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
I'm interested to know if there is a difference between caller's attitudes when the first thing they hear is a real person or an automated message.

I usually lose my patience in the endless maze of navigating the automated message.

Press 1 for English, Espaniol something dos

Then you go through the menu. When you get to the one you want, it says something like, "Please visit our website."

Hangup, call again, go through a different route.

I've made it a habit to either hit 0 or say "representative" when I get to the first menu. Usually that gets you speaking to someone.


I'm the same way. As soon as I hear an automated message, I just start pressing zero until the recording stops talking and the line starts ringing. Automated systems are incredibly annoying. That said, I'm usually pretty polite on the phone in general, because if you're polite to the people helping you out, they're more likely to actually do their best to help you.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:


I'm the same way. As soon as I hear an automated message, I just start pressing zero until the recording stops talking and the line starts ringing. Automated systems are incredibly annoying. That said, I'm usually pretty polite on the phone in general, because if you're polite to the people helping you out, they're more likely to actually do their best to help you.


Definitely. Saying "sir" and "Ma'am" goes a long way.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After spending time and aggravation keying in my account number, why must I give it again when the human finally comes on the line? Am I the only one who finds this annoying?

Have you ever tried calling a phone company only to be told you must write? I'm like, "This is the phone company, right?"


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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
After spending time and aggravation keying in my account number, why must I give it again when the human finally comes on the line?

Am I the only one who finds this annoying?


I assume because you might have accidentally mistyped it, yet entered another person's number in the process. If they're going to ask you to repeat it again, though, they shouldn't ask for it the first time; some of those numbers are really long.
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