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Kimbop
Joined: 31 Mar 2008
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| Kimbop wrote: |
The problem is that the wrong people are reproducing: Most people on this forum (who assumably are literate and not criminally prone), along with the western world's doctors, engineers, university grads, etc will produce 1.8 children per couple; while illiterate Nigerians/Ethiopians will reproduce at twice the rate. Furthermore, Canada's/Australia's/New Zealand's aboriginal peoples, who are all horribly underrepresented in University attendance and overrepresented in jails, reproduce faster than any other demographic within their respective countries. Aids stats are getting worse worldwide. In simple terms, demographically, the world is getting DUMBER every year. |
You are equating education with intelligence and those two things are not the same. Someone can be very intelligent while being relatively uneducated or even be very well educated while not actually being that smart. |
That's wonderful. I won't debate how "intelligent" Somalis or Eritreans are, (or other held-back, infrastructure-free civilizations) because it doesn't matter. Facts remain:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GFRE_enCA317CA317&q=birth+rate+country&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
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| Not to add fuel to anybody's eugenics fire, but there are a lot of remote First Nation's communities where the rates of FAS are probably pushing 100%, and where the average age of a first mother is in the early teens (I speak from experience, not from statistics). This leads to a lot of hand-wringing about 3rd world conditions in Canada and demands that the government should help, when it's not really the government's issue to solve. It's pretty brutal to witness first-hand, and these communities certainly have the highest birthrates in the country. |
Your experience closely mirrors the facts. Throw eugenics aside: demographic destiny prevails. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| banjois wrote: |
| Nope. Have you ever lived in a community that's 90% aboriginal a thousand miles from anywhere? |
Yeah! South Korea! |
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banjois
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ha. I guess I'll have no problems adjusting, then. |
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Daniel_D
Joined: 29 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I personally do not see the point of abortion. There are plenty of birth controls available. If you choose to have sex and don't want kids... then either the woman and the man should be actively using such methods. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I personally do not see the point of abortion. There are plenty of birth controls available. |
They don't always work, first of all. Second, rape and health problems both can also create cause for abortions. Finally, sometimes -- and I know this is shocking -- people just plain make a mistake. |
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banjois
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| This condenses the issue nicely. Most pro-lifers have an issue with contraception as well. I get the theory, but C'mon. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Finally, sometimes -- and I know this is shocking -- people just plain make a mistake. |
...and it's very unfortunate that they're allowed to make a follow-up mistake by having abortion. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Finally, sometimes -- and I know this is shocking -- people just plain make a mistake. |
...and it's very unfortunate that they're allowed to make a follow-up mistake by having abortion. |
What's a mistake for you may not be one for someone else. Where does this sense of moral entitlement come from?! |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| What's a mistake for you may not be one for someone else. Where does this sense of moral entitlement come from?! |
If you want to label me with a sense of moral entitlement because I hold all life sacred, I won't stop you. I'll think you silly and belligerent, but I won't stop you. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:12 am Post subject: |
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I don't have problems with men and women having children as long as they pay for them. That being said...........
Look, I didn't go to the hospital to get my ballpouch cut open and my sperm vesicles cut on to pay for everyone else's screwups.
I would like to make it clear right here, right now, "I DON'T WANT TO BE THE BABY DADDY!!!" I don't want to pay for kids of my own and I for damn sure don't want to pay for other peoples' "babies." Damn it, ladies and gentlemen. Get your own genitals operated on or get an abortion, but whatever you do, PLEASE don't make me pay for your "accidents." 
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
Location: the southlands.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
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| What's a mistake for you may not be one for someone else. Where does this sense of moral entitlement come from?! |
If you want to label me with a sense of moral entitlement because I hold all life sacred, I won't stop you. I'll think you silly and belligerent, but I won't stop you. |
Label you? That was a general statement to anyone who thinks they can unequivocally decide what is right or wrong for everyone else.
And where do you come up with the absurd idea that you could stop me anyway? What would you do, hit the screen with the keyboard? A bit sanctimonious, isn't it?
The delusion of some people... |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| runthegauntlet wrote: |
| Label you? That was a general statement to anyone who thinks they can unequivocally decide what is right or wrong for everyone else. |
Well... 1) Your comment was directed at a quote of mine. 2) Society decides what's right and wrong all the time. That's why we can't we have laws in the first place.
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And where do you come up with the absurd idea that you could stop me anyway? What would you do, hit the screen with the keyboard? A bit sanctimonious, isn't it?
The delusion of some people... |
Yes, I meant I would physically prevent you from making any more comments; you're exactly right. I obviously wasn't using a rhetorical device. |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| geldedgoat wrote: |
Well... 1) Your comment was directed at a quote of mine. 2) Society decides what's right and wrong all the time. That's why we can't we have laws in the first place.
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If you want to take it personally, well, haha, that's comical... 
And it's not against the law everywhere. And should be legal everywhere.
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Yes, I meant I would physically prevent you from making any more comments; you're exactly right. I obviously wasn't using a rhetorical device. |
Obviously. I mean, using it once is all awesome and great and stuff, but a rhetorical device twice in two sentences!?! Wow! Emphatic use of rhetoric, my friend! *high five*
And still, delusion reigns. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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The Christian Right Conservatives are usually tough on abortion and other issues like crime. But what if abortion could be a factor in reducing crime?
'Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything', by Steven D. Levitt and journalist Stephen J. Dubner speculate this correlation.
In short, 15-20 years after abortions were legalized and widely practiced in the USA, crime figures declined sharply. Likely because many of the women who had the abortions were from the lower end of the social spectrum, therefore they weren't giving birth to would-be hoodlums. |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:02 am Post subject: |
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| The taking of an innocent life (abortion) like this is murder 100% of the time. |
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