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Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea?

 
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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:22 pm    Post subject: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

Just curious about those who settle down in Korea.
People replying to this post, I'd like to know
1) How long have you been here?
2) How has your experience been so far?
3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?
4) Are you still pleased today?

I came up with this post because I was wondering what the success rate of settling down happily in this country was. I worked in Korea for a few years, but never considered planting my roots there. I just don't think I can "play the foreigner" for more than a few years.

Your thoughts?
Maybe you have some advice for those thinking of settling down in Korea.
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naturegirl321



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Location: Home sweet home

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think many people who settle down here are those married to a Korean. Look here

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=173996&highlight=
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=175373&highlight=
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SanchoPanza



Joined: 10 Jan 2010
Location: London

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

1) How long have you been here?

Since December 1996.

2) How has your experience been so far?

Highs and lows. Saved lots of money. Not on an E2, I'm on an E7,
so I don't have to worry about the hoops and hurdles in place today.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I would NEVER be granted an E2, for several
reasons. (hehe) I work in a factory. Very professional atmosphere.
No problems.

3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?

In 1996 it was. You think Korea is backwards now. You should have
seen it back then. i.e. curfews, the army censored TV and movies,
NO, and I mean NO, foreign products etc. etc.

4) Are you still pleased today?

I see light at the end of the tunnel. Save US$500,000 and split to
the Philippines. So, yes, I'm still pleased. Also I have a daughter
and wife, who is less than 200Kg. I pay about 1% tax. I don't have
pension or UI deductions. So what I make is what I take home. None
of this "give my hard earned money to welfare scum" sort of thing that
is all the rage in the west.

To be honest, I'm a bit of an anarchist. So Korea is great for me.
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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SanchoPanza,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Sounds like Korea has worked out well for you. That's excellent.

As for Korea being backward, I didn't say that or meant any of my comments to be taken to that extreme. Korea is advancing by leaps and bounds and is more advanced than my country, Canada, in many ways, particularly, the health care system. In Canada, they make it difficult to get any health care. Long waits at clinics and this B.S. of having to get referal slips form your family doctor to see a specialist like a skin doctor. In Korea, if my hands are turning some strange color, I can go straight to a skin clinic and get quick treatment.

But in terms of race relations, Korea is where Canada was 35 years ago - people pointing out that you're different. Probably the language barrier takes a lot of the blame. The Economist magazine recently published a study that said 42% of South Koreans had never spoken to a foreigner. So there is an explanation, but still surprizing in this age of cheap international travel. Personally, I was never comfortable with the extra attention I got just because I was of a different race.

As for your welfare scum comment, there was a study that showed in the U.S. that welfare payouts amounted to less that 1% of the government's budget. The people who complain about welfare recipients are blind to the real problem with the gov's spending. Things like the Iraq war and the $700 billion dollar bailout for Wall Street are what should have people freaking out.
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tall_dave



Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Location: Songtan, S. Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

SanchoPanza wrote:

1) How long have you been here?

I have just over 10 years in Korea spread out from 1984 to today, so I have seen the country go through a lot of change.

2) How has your experience been so far?

I love it here. I came here (From the U.S.) not wanting to spend more than 1 year here (the 1st time) and ended up voluntarily extending for an additional 3 years. Korea is a great place. Great people and tons of culture. (just get away from the bars near the US bases and theres plenty to see and do) I've had my share with the snobs and Koreans that think everyone else is lower than dirt but I ignore them. You find those kinds everywhere you go, anyway. Anyway, my times here have been from 84-88. 91-93, 04-07 and 08 to now.. There must be some appeal to keep me here. Maybe it's the challenge and diversity I find enjoyable. It's sure not an easy place to live but I would not trade my experience here for anything.

3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?

It's been an "constant adjustment"/ Koreans like to do things their way, which is usually a slant differently from any other country. This is not to say it's wrong, it's not.. it's just different. When I first came here Koreans loved us. They still remembered us from the Korean War and how we helped them out. Since then, their kids have grown up and some have learned to dislike us. (kinda the "what have you done for me now, mentality) Korea is waking up and no longer needs us here as much as they used to so it's been another adjustment, making friends, etc. because the Koreans are much more independant and less likely to care what we think.

4) Are you still pleased today?
I'm very pleased and very happy to be living here and look forward to another 10-20 years in country. It's so much safer here than in the states. Hardly any gangs, great food, nice people, bad drivers (haha), funny shows on TV, lots of talent here and opportunity. It's nice watching Korea GROW UP.
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bigtexas



Joined: 30 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:59 am    Post subject: Re: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

1) How long have you been here?
3 years

2) How has your experience been so far?
Difficult to adjust at first, but once I met the smartest and most beautiful korean woman, I changed. Saved tons. looking to be at nearly 100k by next year. Oh, and she blessed me with the most beautiful child I could ever imagine.

3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?
The more I read and knew about Korean Culture the more money and connections I means. got to a uni job in under a year.

4) Are you still pleased today?
How can you not be pleased when you have a great uni job, own a car and a house, have more part time jobs than I can imagine, and make nearly 8k a month.

I am not complaining, but my friends in the states with no job sure are! The money is good if you play your cards right.
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Stalin84



Joined: 30 Dec 2009
Location: Haebangchon, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious about those who settle down in Korea.
People replying to this post, I'd like to know

1) How long have you been here?

Since June of 2007, nearly three years. I came immediately after graduation. I received my degree on stage, took my gown off, hopped in the car and FedEx'ed overnight it to my first Korean employer and was here a few weeks later. When I was at the FedEx office there were a bunch of recent graduates doing the exact same thing. Someone said "Korea?" and we all chuckled.

2) How has your experience been so far?

Generally good. There have been ups and downs. I've reached my time limit though, the things that didn't bother me in my first year have started bothering me now and I've realized I've stayed past my expiration date.

3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?

At first, no. Because you're largely ignored you can do whatever you want. Culture shock and cultural differences didn't really come into the equation until my second year. It was when I wanted more from the experience that I started hitting brick walls (trying to learn Korean, trying to be a better teacher, trying to get more involved etc.)

4) Are you still pleased today?

Not as much, no. I have had a pretty sound experience as far as people here usually do but I think I need to take a break. I've maxed out Korea in under three years and there is nothing left to see or do here. Its sad when I've seen significantly more of Korea than any of my co-workers.

It's not that I mind being used to this country and it's ways. That was the plan all along. The thing I mind is constantly being bothered and the constant friction I feel with people and life here. It really is a different country once the novelty wears off and you're forced to deal with it on an even playing field (did I say "even"?)
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Forward Observer



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:33 am    Post subject: Re: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

SanchoPanza wrote:
1) How long have you been here?

Since December 1996.


3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?

In 1996 it was. You think Korea is backwards now. You should have
seen it back then. i.e. curfews, the army censored TV and movies,
NO, and I mean NO, foreign products etc. etc.

.



Fail. The red door in Itaewon was there. Not to mention the many other stores like it. I lived in Chamshil in '96 and there was a black market store near my house.
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shapeshifter



Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Paris

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

Forward Observer wrote:
SanchoPanza wrote:
1) How long have you been here?

Since December 1996.


3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?

In 1996 it was. You think Korea is backwards now. You should have
seen it back then. i.e. curfews, the army censored TV and movies,
NO, and I mean NO, foreign products etc. etc.

.







On a completely unrelated, note, this (as far as I'm aware) new habit of writing "FAIL" when disagreeing with another poster is exceedingly irritating.


Fail. The red door in Itaewon was there. Not to mention the many other stores like it. I lived in Chamshil in '96 and there was a black market store near my house.




On a completely unrelated, note, this (as far as I'm aware) new habit of writing "FAIL" when disagreeing with another poster is exceedingly irritating.
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem honest with your questions so I will respond...


Quote:
1) How long have you been here?


Was there 1997-2008. Move due to unforeseen events, had no real plans to leave in the mid to long term.

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2) How has your experience been so far?


Excellent, profitable, enjoyable, beneficial, frustrating at points, learning experience on many levels as well.

Quote:
3) Was it hard to adjust to this unique culture?


Interesting question. The culture is not unique in the sense that it is unlike any other. In fact there are deep similarities with some parts of Chinese culture and with some parts of Japanese culture.

Was it hard to adapt?

The initial culture shock was pretty interesting but then adaptation will happen depending more on you than on the culture....too cryptic?

I mean if you are closed to change you will have a hard time adapting. If you are open-minded you can adapt, learn and live quite well...then again thats true of any cross-cultural experience.

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4) Are you still pleased today?


When we moved I was quite happy in Korea and we will most likely return at some point in the mid-range future.

As far as what the experience brought me...well a happy marriage, two great kids, financial prosperity ahead of what I would have gotten had I stayed as a full time teacher in Canada, no debts to speak of, two properties in Canada (one paid off in less than 10 years, one about to be paid and revenue generating), an appartment bought and sold for profit in Busan. In the process of buying another appartment in Busan for when we visit and for renting when we like. Fluency in a new language, the job I have now, a thriving consulting agency started in Korea and still working well, an expansive network of professional contacts, numerous friends....

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I came up with this post because I was wondering what the success rate of settling down happily in this country was. I worked in Korea for a few years, but never considered planting my roots there. I just don't think I can "play the foreigner" for more than a few years.



Success rate is an interesting way to put it.

I would say those who came to Korea with an open mind, wanting to actually teach usually settled down quite well. On the opposite end of the spectrum, those that came to travel, save money and with no intention of teaching as a career typically had more problems. If these same people were also closed minded then the negative experience would just fuel the 'close in on yourself' reflex and they would have a hard time of it.

The key in your statement is 'never considered planting my roots there'. Once that is said, you basically state your mindset was not geared on living in Korea mid or long term and that will guide how you react to Korea on many levels, conciously and unconciously (reactions you do not even notice or decide on).

Another interesing comment was 'play the foreigner'. That is a choice and a mindset. You only play the foreigner if you decide do limit yourself to that. That attidude also directs many of your reactions and will paint your experiences in a very specific color. Playing the foreigner may mean not wanting to adapt because you feel as an outsider, this as a small example will mine your chances of settling down productively.

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Maybe you have some advice for those thinking of settling down in Korea.


Why not...

1- Have a plan.
2- Prepare beforehand.
3- Learn about the language and culture in an open minded fashion. Avoid us vs them positions and inferior vs superior ones...they are sterile propositions that yield nothing constructive and that allow no learning.
4- Understand what being a teacher means (if that is your job in Korea)
5- Stand your ground but do so understanding the cultural norms at play in social situations...or run the risk of locking yourself in the hurt locker of your own making.
6- You are a foreigner but that does not mean you should play the foreign monkey card as an excuse to give up on things. If you crave acceptance from everyone, you will fail. Work to develop bonds with your co-workers, Korean friends and neighbors if you stay in the same area for a long time. How? Learn the language, understand the culture and work with it.
7- Upgrade your professional and academic qualifications when you can. It will open many doors along with learning the language.
8-Network professionally.
9- Avoid the frat party pack if you can. Nothing wrong with a drink at the bar with friends on occasion but the other extreme is usually a bad idea (my view here).


Hope this meets what you were asking for OP.
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Chet Wautlands



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Settling Down in Korea: How Long Have You Been in Korea? Reply with quote

shapeshifter wrote:

On a completely unrelated, note, this (as far as I'm aware) new habit of writing "FAIL" when disagreeing with another poster is exceedingly irritating.


Agreed.
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