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banjois
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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| Have there been serious attempts at conservative satire before? |
Here's the crux of the question. You can't do conservative satire because your typical conservative media consumer WOULDN'T GET IT. I'm visiting with my parents right now, and my dad sometimes listens to this conservative talk radio that wafts up across the border. He says he agrees it's "a little over the top," but I worry about how much of it he fully agrees with. To me, it ALL sounds like it's meant to be satire. And the scary part is that it's not. I just don't get how ANYbody can take that stuff seriously, no matter what your political viewpoint is. It's just so incredibly ill-informed and xenophobic and hate-instilling and awful.
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well there was actually 'The 1/2 Hour News Hour' on Fox News.
Limbaugh and Coulter were the hosts and this was the first segment....painful!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F49e64yq8lI
It got cut pretty fast, conservatives can't do comedy. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not going to troll the web for statistical breakdowns of every single part of this category. Honestly I felt it was fairly intuitively obvious that there's reasonable conservative diversity on these topics. Conservatives aren't robots, after all; like other human beings, they vary with regards to their opinions and feelings about matters. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this particular point, though. |
Sorry, I didn't mean that as an actual request for you to go fetch stats for me, heh.  And I certainly don't consider conservatives to be robots, though I wouldn't be so quick to give Republicans (or Democrats) a pass... that's a whole nother can of worms.
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| I think the most questionable point up for discussion is homosexual rights, so I'll provide some statistics on that. |
I don't see anywhere on there where they give a breakdown of how those two Republican ideological groups comprise the party as a whole. I did, however, find this, which seems to support what you're saying. 43% of Republicans support either marriage equality or civil unions. 51% oppose all relationship recognition. I guess I was still thinking about the original passage of the Defense of Marriage Act which was opposed by only one Republican in the whole of Congress. Point conceded.
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| The Dennis Miller Show was moderately conservative, showed late nights on HBO. I think that stayed on for a while. Fox ran something called the 1/2 Hour News Hour, but it got cancelled pretty quickly. There's also of course been things speckled on the web here and there. It just doesn't really seem to take off well. |
The Dennis Miller Show was just talk-show format, though, right? And I would put much of the material there firmly in the independent/centrist camp rather than conservative. But you got me with the 1/2 Hour News Hour. I somehow completely missed that, and, after watching the clip posted by RufusW (and youtubing up a few more), I'm glad. Poor writing, poor presentation, poor personalities. No wonder it got cut.
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| Younger people also tend to be more liberal. It seems to me that you're now getting into the complexities of why we're liberal or conservative, rather than the basics of "What liberals or conservatives generally prefer from their entertainment." That has the makings of a very complex discussion. |
Well, sorta. I could accept looking to age as being the lowest common denominator in these speculations. It just doesn't make much sense to me that there's something about liberalism that lends itself better to satire and conservatism to angry rants.
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| I think Colbert and Stewart are both very equitable in their treatment of their guests; it's the subject material of the programs rather than the interviews in particular that I'm judging the shows by. |
I dunno, I guess this is a matter of perspective. It just seems to me that Jon Stewart is more aggressive with his criticism of Republicans and conservatism than he is with his criticism of Democrats (I can't recall him ever attacking liberalism). Stephen Colbert, however, keeps in character throughout his show, distributing his ridicule in the same manner, no matter the topic.
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| If you really want I could write up a short list of particular left-leaning positions he's supported through his comedy. Do you really feel I need to in order to make my point? |
Nah, I would admit his show has a slight liberal slant (though only just). However, I still don't see it as leaning nearly as much as Stewart's, nor do I think he displays nearly as much favoritism for Democrats.
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| This strikes me as a moderately liberal position. I certainly wouldn't call it centrist, so it must be left of center. Judging where to put most things on a political scale is pretty subjective, though, and that's probably the basis of some of our disagreement. What's moderate left to me might just be centrist in your eyes. |
Well, even the NRA doesn't support a complete lack of gun control (neither does anyone from the gun range I frequent back home in Memphis), so that's why it doesn't strike me as that liberal of a position. No gun control = extreme conservatism. Total gun control (gun bans) = extreme liberalism. Varying degrees of gun control = varying degrees of moderate liberalism and conservatism. |
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stupified
Joined: 10 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I like AA at one time. Steve Earle had a good show. They should have marketed it as a comedy radio program with a liberal slant. I hate petty political sniping which is what it pretty much became. Shame. It had potiental. |
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