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runthegauntlet
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| The taking of an innocent life (abortion) like this is murder 100% of the time. |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go smack someone with your bible, eh? |
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Olivencia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Nothing argument....the result of an exhausted mind  |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| Nothing argument....the result of an exhausted mind |
Yeah, I'm trying to emulate you. |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| I stated a fact. The taking of an innocent life (abortion) is murder 100% of the time. Refute it. |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:11 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| I stated a fact. The taking of an innocent life (abortion) is murder 100% of the time. Refute it. |
You made the assertion. Burden of proof is on you.
Of course, if you can prove it, be sure and contact governments across the world as this will surely rewrite some penal codes. |
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Olivencia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| When does human life begin...conception........human biology 101. Get a clue. |
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runthegauntlet
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| When does human life begin...conception........human biology 101. Get a clue. |
LULZ.
Beautiful strawman.  |
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Olivencia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Stop! Idiot Time!
Bye |
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runthegauntlet
Joined: 02 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
Stop! Idiot Time!
Bye |
What was it you said? Nothing argument?
Game, set, match.
Too easy. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:33 am Post subject: |
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1) Asserting your rights to your own body is never unjust.
2) Abortion is simply asserting your rights to your own body.
3) From 1 and 2, abortion is never unjust.
4) Murder is unjust killing.
5) From 3 and 4, abortion is never murder.
It's really that simple. In order for abortion to be murder, your baby would need a greater or equal right to determination over your body. It doesn't have this, because it would be tantamount to slavery.
Abortion is a tragic, but not murder. Anyone calling it murder is either letting religion do their thinking for them, or giving in to their emotions at the expense of their reasoning. This, of course, is why pro-life indiviuals so often use argumentation reliant either on religion or on emotional appeals.
| Olivencia wrote: |
| Stop! Idiot Time |
I'm surprised Olive realizes people think this when they see him enter a thread. That's a remarkably perspicacious. |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| #2 is wrong. It is not "simply" asserting rights to your own body. Another body is being murdered. That other body (person) had their rights taken away in the most exterme kind of way....death. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| #2 is wrong. It is not "simply" asserting rights to your own body. |
Yes, it is. Something is in your body. If you want it out, you have every right to have it removed. It's as simple as that. No one has the right to be inside your body. No one has the right to make use of your organs without your consent. Saying otherwise is an endorsement of slavery.
| Olivencia wrote: |
| That other body (person) had their rights taken away in the most exterme kind of way....death. |
They never had the right to exist by subsisting off of your body. Even if the only way I can survive is by having one of your kidneys, I still don't have a right to it. Likewise, even if the only way a baby can survive is to have access to its mother's womb, it doesn't have a right to it.
But let's get real. This isn't about logic for you. It's not even about emotion for you; at least those people are acting on an inherently good impulse. For you, this is about your cult. You're preaching for your cult here. That's it.
By the way, didn't you say you were leaving? Is there a more pathetic internet forum behavior then saying you're leaving the conversation only to come right back? I'm having a hard time thinking of one. |
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Olivencia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:14 am Post subject: |
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No one has the right to be inside your body-- When it comes to a baby...who says? You? Based on what?
This is about your cult. I'm dealing with scientific facts. Show me one place where I have cited any religious authority in this thread that says it is a human life or that it is murder. That is simply a strawman on your part.
Yeah I said I was leaving ...does that necessitate that I can't ever come back? No. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| Olivencia wrote: |
| No one has the right to be inside your body-- When it comes to a baby...who says? You? Based on what? |
1) We agree no one has a right to be inside your body.
2) A baby is someone; pro-lifers have been very insistent that we need to consider a baby someone.
3) As a someone, by your own admission they have no right to be inside your body.
So again, let's get real. Logic isn't on your side. Either a baby is a person -- in which case it has no right to your body -- or it's not a person -- in which case the entire case for trying to give it the rights of a person falls apart, hurting your case far more than it helps it.
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| This is about your cult. I'm dealing with scientific facts. Show me one place where I have cited any religious authority in this thread that says it is a human life or that it is murder. |
Murder isn't a scientific term, it's an ethical one. From a scientific perspective there's no such thing as murder, only death or life. So we clearly aren't talking science here, but rather ethics. If you aren't getting your ethics from religion, where are you getting them from?
Don't play secular, you can't possibly pull it off. You've babbled too much about your religion on these forums to deceive anyone. It's transparent.
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| Yeah I said I was leaving ...does that necessitate that I can't ever come back? No. |
It does necessitate you don't come back a minute or two later and continue conversing if you want to avoid looking foolish. Clearly that's no impediment for you, though. |
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Olivencia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I don't agree with #1.
Science says it is a human life. That is a fact.
Ethics: The taking of innocent human life is murder. That is a fact.
Get real? and logic isn't on my side?? What are you talking about? Look at those photos I have previously posted. It's "logical" to say..."oh that's ok"?
Where do you get your ethics from? I'm not playing secular. I am stating that it is a scientific fact that it is a human life.
I didn't come back a minute or two later but rather it was numbered in days. Get your facts straight. |
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