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Robots are coming to take your jobs!!!!!!!!!!!
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sulperman



Joined: 14 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Robots are coming to take your jobs!!!!!!!!!!! Reply with quote

Huh.....I knew the end would come sometime, but I didn't know it would be like this....

http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/01/123_59809.html
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djsmnc



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how much Kim Shiin-hwa was paid to say that. I think this story is a repost from about 2002-2003. Man, they sure need some new material, especially since the number of teachers has been on a steady rise.
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Rory_Calhoun27



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's like they found a way to combine The Terminator and Kindergarten Cop into one movie..... Shocked
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The Cosmic Hum



Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This post is pure gold. Cool
We should save it for April Fool's day. Wink

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By around 2015, robots should be able to help teachers in English classes. By 2018, they should be able to teach on their own while communicating with students," said Kim Shin-hwan, an economist at the Hyundai Research Institute.

I am not sure how a person could make this kind of statement and expect to be taken seriously for the remainder of their professional career.

It seems someone at the Hyundai Research Institute is not fond of having foreign English teachers in Korea.
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Kim said that the numerous native English speakers at Korea's language institutes - estimated in the vicinity of 30,000 - will lose their jobs in the not-so-distant future.

Even the sales pitch is rather obvious and lame...
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In the beginning, the high prices of robots may be a hindrance in offering more equal opportunities to every student. But I think that the problems will be tackled in the long run. For example, the government could subsidize their purchase," he said.

Voice recognition software has vastly improved in the past decade, but is nowhere near the vicinity of classroom feedback capability...30+ students talking with different rates of speech and second language accents...brilliant. Cool
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spyro25



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as someone who has sat classes last term at cambridge on computational linguistics - i can honestly say the claims are ludicrous. Even the best semantic parsing system only reach 76% accuracy at present, and the largest contextual cue a corpus search can get is a 5-gram (5 words of context in sequence).

seeing as a computational teacher will be running from such a corpus, it might be able to parse the sequence 'hello how are you', but try something like 'as someone who has sat classes at cambridge' and the corpus will probably not be able to retrieve the string. even the largest corpus (google) will struggle getting an EXACT match for a string like that.

machine learning (ML) systems are great at learning rules and applying them to small corpuses, but unfortunately the generative nature of language is such that we are VERY far off being able to develop computational systems that can cope with this kind of processing.

add to this the almost impossible task of pragamatic, phonetic and phonological computational processing (especially over units of discourse length) (i've been told most computational linguistics chaps stay away from speech processing as it is just TOO hard) and there is no way on earth you will get HAL9000 anytime soon folks.

save this for april fools, like the above poster mentioned.
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Nuggets



Joined: 23 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they are rolling out those sex robots - so those prostitutes better look out STD-free robots are headed their way!
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida



Joined: 27 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too funny Laughing

If you plan on being a lifer you might want to get certified in robot maintenance. Laughing
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will they get here before the aliens that the KH said were coming?
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andrewchon



Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. In my TPR sessions kids already play 'Robot' and 'Master'.
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The_Source



Joined: 09 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rory_Calhoun27 wrote:
It's like they found a way to combine The Terminator and Kindergarten Cop into one movie..... :shock:


It reminded me of the Jonnycab robot in Total Recall.

Robot: What would you like to learn today?
Student: Just teach.
Robot: I'm sorry, would you please repeat the instructions?
Student: Anything! Just teach! Teach!!
Robot: I am not familiar with that lesson.
Student gets infuriated, tears robot teacher out of his chair, throws it aside, and takes over the class.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I knew Koreans really didn't want us in their public schools, but they must be REALLY anxious to get rid of us if they would rather replace us with robots. I guess they've realized that they'll never be able to get their Korean teachers proficient enough in the language, so they have to bring in the robots.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all a psychological swipe at us, implying that robots could do our jobs.
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VFRinterceptor



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see a Robot being well maintained in a hagwon. They've been screwing teachers for years.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just thinking about it, can your classes be taught remotely?

Lets say you have a webcam in the classroom to see all of your students. You have a webcam so the students see you.

You have remote access to the classroom computer, as well as a big screen TV/projector connected to the computer so you can control what is displayed. Your face/body is displayed on a separate monitor from the TV/projector.

Could your lessons be taught from a remote location?

Seriously, you have a coteacher present in the classroom to maintain discipline, give out handouts, collect handouts, etc.. Do you really have to be in the classroom also?
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thought about teaching classes remotely. It would be nice to be able to just sit at home in Canada all day (or night I guess) and teach classes at your computer. Plus, the Koreans wouldn't have to deal with having pesky foreigners in their country...because that's what this is really all about.

I've thought of teaching private lessons from afar by webcam, and I know it's been done, so this isn't really all that far out.
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