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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| And Bernie Madoff or Enron execs wouldn't go to jail either despite ruining thousands of people's lives. |
Seizing these men's ill gotten assets helps people. Locking these men up in prison helps no one. |
It stops them from doing it again. |
They can be stopped without locking them up, so why waste taxpayer money locking them up?
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| it also shows potential criminals that there is a punishment, and a possible deterrant. |
So can other punishments. Prison isn't the only possible punishment, and thus isn't the only possible deterrent.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| If you don't believe that prison/punishment deters criminals, you've never been a criminal. |
Well, this is true.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Criminals weigh the options all the time... and they are very conscious of the risks. |
And risks can include things other than prison time. |
I would love to see your other proposed solutions. |
I wrote a few of them in this thread. Individuals convicted of white collar crimes would face three immediate reprocussions:
1) The confiscation of all ill-gotten funds (this one is obvious).
2) Probation. This limits their movement and removes their ability to flee the country.
3) Continuing fines; rather than locking these individuals up and making them into a financial liability to the state, a portion of their future earnings will be taken to pay off the debt incurred by their crime, turning them into a financial asset to the state.
Such a scenario could hardly be construed as non-punishment, particularly in light of the social stigma introduced by criminal conviction. Would you want to live under these reprocussions? Of course not; your freedom of movement is restricted, and your earnings will be penalized. As such, the deterrent remains intact, while changing a state liability into a state asset. This also increases the incentive for the state to act against white collar criminals, which is a good thing. Far too often, white collar crimes are ignored. |
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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
Location: I drink therefore I am!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| And Bernie Madoff or Enron execs wouldn't go to jail either despite ruining thousands of people's lives. |
Seizing these men's ill gotten assets helps people. Locking these men up in prison helps no one. |
It stops them from doing it again. |
They can be stopped without locking them up, so why waste taxpayer money locking them up?
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| it also shows potential criminals that there is a punishment, and a possible deterrant. |
So can other punishments. Prison isn't the only possible punishment, and thus isn't the only possible deterrent.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| If you don't believe that prison/punishment deters criminals, you've never been a criminal. |
Well, this is true.
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Criminals weigh the options all the time... and they are very conscious of the risks. |
And risks can include things other than prison time. |
I would love to see your other proposed solutions. |
I wrote a few of them in this thread. Individuals convicted of white collar crimes would face three immediate reprocussions:
1) The confiscation of all ill-gotten funds (this one is obvious).
2) Probation. This limits their movement and removes their ability to flee the country.
3) Continuing fines; rather than locking these individuals up and making them into a financial liability to the state, a portion of their future earnings will be taken to pay off the debt incurred by their crime, turning them into a financial asset to the state.
Such a scenario could hardly be construed as non-punishment, particularly in light of the social stigma introduced by criminal conviction. Would you want to live under these reprocussions? Of course not; your freedom of movement is restricted, and your earnings will be penalized. As such, the deterrent remains intact, while changing a state liability into a state asset. This also increases the incentive for the state to act against white collar criminals, which is a good thing. Far too often, white collar crimes are ignored. |
Social stigma in America isn't what it used to be. How many celebrities have criminal records? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| ytuque wrote: |
| Social stigma in America isn't what it used to be. How many celebrities have criminal records? |
How many criminal-record bearing celebrities would you invest your money with? How many convicted white collar criminals would you hire for your office? How many people would trust Bernie Madoff with their investments now?
I think social stigma still has an impact. In fact, in some cases -- for example, sex crimes -- it probably has too much of an impact. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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 Just for poetic justice, I think we should send the inmates to Mexico illegally. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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We need to pink slip every combat footsoldier in the US military for failure to get the job done and replace them with illegal alien prisoners. That would cut down on prison costs and defense costs for sure.  |
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