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hoopslam
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:24 am Post subject: 2 jobs at once in Korea? |
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Hey guys,
I'm considering working two jobs at once and would like some input from other experience split shift/2 job vets. Basically, I am considering working a split shift teaching adults in the morning and night. In between, I'd have a job between 1-4 teaching kinders. My schedule would be something like wake up at 5, work at 6:30-9:30, break, 1-4, break, 6-9.
I would feel a lot more reassured about this if I knew there were others in Korea working this sort of schedule. Also, is it even possible or are there clauses in split shift contracts saying you can't take other jobs?
Right now my current hagwon's making me work from 10am-8pm M-Sat since it's winter intensives. At first, it really ticked me off having to go to work at 10 but now I actually kind of enjoy the feeling of making more money and feeling productive. I guess you can label me a work-a-holic. I'm in contact with recruiters and discussing these job positions right now. I can't bare the idea of going back to my tame 2-10 non intensives schedule now. This new schedule would make it feel like a year long intensive I suppose. |
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balzor
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:24 am Post subject: Re: 2 jobs at once in Korea? |
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| hoopslam wrote: |
Hey guys,
I'm considering working two jobs at once and would like some input from other experience split shift/2 job vets. Basically, I am considering working a split shift teaching adults in the morning and night. In between, I'd have a job between 1-4 teaching kinders. My schedule would be something like wake up at 5, work at 6:30-9:30, break, 1-4, break, 6-9.
I would feel a lot more reassured about this if I knew there were others in Korea working this sort of schedule. Also, is it even possible or are there clauses in split shift contracts saying you can't take other jobs?
Right now my current hagwon's making me work from 10am-8pm M-Sat since it's winter intensives. At first, it really ticked me off having to go to work at 10 but now I actually kind of enjoy the feeling of making more money and feeling productive. I guess you can label me a work-a-holic. I'm in contact with recruiters and discussing these job positions right now. I can't bare the idea of going back to my tame 2-10 non intensives schedule now. This new schedule would make it feel like a year long intensive I suppose. |
First, I worked last year 10-7 everyday, all year at my hagwon. It is not that bad. Second, usually with an E-2 visa, you teach with one school. The government doesn't want foreign teachers moonlighting with other jobs. you had better clear it with them first, cause if someone dimes you out to the gov for being an "illegal" teacher, you're done |
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balzor
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:26 am Post subject: Re: 2 jobs at once in Korea? |
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| balzor wrote: |
| hoopslam wrote: |
Hey guys,
I'm considering working two jobs at once and would like some input from other experience split shift/2 job vets. Basically, I am considering working a split shift teaching adults in the morning and night. In between, I'd have a job between 1-4 teaching kinders. My schedule would be something like wake up at 5, work at 6:30-9:30, break, 1-4, break, 6-9.
I would feel a lot more reassured about this if I knew there were others in Korea working this sort of schedule. Also, is it even possible or are there clauses in split shift contracts saying you can't take other jobs?
Right now my current hagwon's making me work from 10am-8pm M-Sat since it's winter intensives. At first, it really ticked me off having to go to work at 10 but now I actually kind of enjoy the feeling of making more money and feeling productive. I guess you can label me a work-a-holic. I'm in contact with recruiters and discussing these job positions right now. I can't bare the idea of going back to my tame 2-10 non intensives schedule now. This new schedule would make it feel like a year long intensive I suppose. |
First, I worked last year 10-7 everyday, all year at my hagwon. It is not that bad. Second, usually with an E-2 visa, you teach with one school. The government doesn't want foreign teachers moonlighting with other jobs. you had better clear it with them first, cause if someone dimes you out to the gov for being an "illegal" teacher, you're done |
also check your contract cause I don't know any foreign teachers that have to work Sat. they might be getting over on you |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Thats a lot of work when you add it all up. Not just the teaching but the prep for classes, the travel from one job to the other.
Also, say your done at 9pm and say it takes you 30 minutes to get home. Its 9:30pm. Get to bed by maybe 10:30pm (need time to relax) and up at 5...thats a short night at 6.5 hours of sleep.
Get up at 5, home by 9:30 thats a 16 and half hour work day.....
Why not start with one job and see how you are handling it?
If you are like you say a work-a-holic thenby all means go for it.
You will need permission from your primary employer to work a second location, official paperwork from immigration so thats its added to your visa. |
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Seoulman69
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| That sounds like too much work mate. I would choose one of either the morning or the evening shift and keep the daytime job. Places that do split shifts sometimes offer part time work. Also, make sure you are not breaking any laws. Anti-English Spectrum love to see illegal teachers getting caught. Shame they aren't so keen on catching illegal Korean actions. |
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broken76
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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It is alot of work but I've sen similar schedules done before albeit for only a year or two.
The main issue will be if your Visa will allow you to work such a schedule. The school that holds your Visa (if you're on an E2) can work things out with immigration so you can work at another school but in most cases they won't since it's against their best interests. Yes, you'll be earning more money but you will definitely have difficulty doing a good job working those hours. Schools have an investment in teachers and wouldn't be too happy knowing that you're burning yourself out. |
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Tigerstyleone
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| I've been teaching 9-12 hours every day, seven days a week for the past several months now. Truth be told, I do feel like a bit of a bum if I'm not working. . . like I'm losing out on opportunities to make more money - which is accurate because I am. However, such a schedule will eventually sap you of your will to live. |
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dirving
Joined: 19 Nov 2009
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| I've been teaching 9-12 hours every day, seven days a week for the past several months now. Truth be told, I do feel like a bit of a bum if I'm not working. . . like I'm losing out on opportunities to make more money - which is accurate because I am. However, such a schedule will eventually sap you of your will to live. |
Are you not independently wealthy? You were just a short time ago. What happened to all of that wealth? You were wickid rich when you first joined up. Did you get divorced or get hooked to Crack and The Track? What's with all of this workin' stuff? Are you outta yaw mind orr somethin'?
Anyway, please tell us all about yaw downfall. I'd betchya it's be a wickid good read.
Respectfully,
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madoka
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Are you not independently wealthy? You were just a short time ago. What happened to all of that wealth? You were wickid rich when you first joined up. Did you get divorced or get hooked to Crack and The Track? What's with all of this workin' stuff? Are you outta yaw mind orr somethin'? |
So being rich and working hard are two mutually exclusive concepts to you? That explains why you complain about having the same starting salary as you did 10 years ago.  |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: 2 jobs at once in Korea? |
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| hoopslam wrote: |
Hey guys,
I'm considering working two jobs at once and would like some input from other experience split shift/2 job vets. Basically, I am considering working a split shift teaching adults in the morning and night. In between, I'd have a job between 1-4 teaching kinders. My schedule would be something like wake up at 5, work at 6:30-9:30, break, 1-4, break, 6-9.
I would feel a lot more reassured about this if I knew there were others in Korea working this sort of schedule. Also, is it even possible or are there clauses in split shift contracts saying you can't take other jobs?
Right now my current hagwon's making me work from 10am-8pm M-Sat since it's winter intensives. At first, it really ticked me off having to go to work at 10 but now I actually kind of enjoy the feeling of making more money and feeling productive. I guess you can label me a work-a-holic. I'm in contact with recruiters and discussing these job positions right now. I can't bare the idea of going back to my tame 2-10 non intensives schedule now. This new schedule would make it feel like a year long intensive I suppose. |
Aside from the workload issues, you need the blessing of immigration to do it legally.
There ARE some hoops to jump through AND the combined workload CANNOT exceed 44 TOTAL hours per week.
You need the blessing and written permission from both employers.
You need copies of the contracts from BOTH jobs showing work hours and places (address where you will be working) of employment.
Both employers MUST be eligible to hire a foreigner (many/most kindergartens cannot).
You need to apply for the addition of a workplace to be added to your ARC.
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hoopslam
Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: 2 jobs at once in Korea? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| hoopslam wrote: |
Hey guys,
I'm considering working two jobs at once and would like some input from other experience split shift/2 job vets. Basically, I am considering working a split shift teaching adults in the morning and night. In between, I'd have a job between 1-4 teaching kinders. My schedule would be something like wake up at 5, work at 6:30-9:30, break, 1-4, break, 6-9.
I would feel a lot more reassured about this if I knew there were others in Korea working this sort of schedule. Also, is it even possible or are there clauses in split shift contracts saying you can't take other jobs?
Right now my current hagwon's making me work from 10am-8pm M-Sat since it's winter intensives. At first, it really ticked me off having to go to work at 10 but now I actually kind of enjoy the feeling of making more money and feeling productive. I guess you can label me a work-a-holic. I'm in contact with recruiters and discussing these job positions right now. I can't bare the idea of going back to my tame 2-10 non intensives schedule now. This new schedule would make it feel like a year long intensive I suppose. |
Aside from the workload issues, you need the blessing of immigration to do it legally.
There ARE some hoops to jump through AND the combined workload CANNOT exceed 44 TOTAL hours per week.
You need the blessing and written permission from both employers.
You need copies of the contracts from BOTH jobs showing work hours and places (address where you will be working) of employment.
Both employers MUST be eligible to hire a foreigner (many/most kindergartens cannot).
You need to apply for the addition of a workplace to be added to your ARC.
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Sorry, I should have clarified that I'm on a F4 visa. Do any of you know if getting permission and all that other stuff is required for F4's? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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on an F4 = do what you want, when you want.
Take 2 jobs, bank the coin and quit when it is no longer convenient for you.
work 3 if you really want to bank the coin.
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broken76
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes on an F4 Visa immigration doesn't care how many jobs you work. If you sign a contract that states that you won't be working in other jobs then moonlighting would be considered a contract violation. |
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kitkatl3ar
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Yes on an F4 Visa immigration doesn't care how many jobs you work. If you sign a contract that states that you won't be working in other jobs then moonlighting would be considered a contract violation. |
if you moonlight, is there any way your current employer can find out? for example, your 2nd job informs immigration and tax authorities for admin. purposes then such gov't bodies inform your current employer? |
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