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Deep Thirteen
Joined: 18 Jun 2009 Location: Swamp Land
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| There's a term for these types: Freegens. |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Meet the Man Who Lives on Zero Dollars
In Utah, a modern-day caveman has lived for the better part of a decade on zero dollars a day.
http://www.details.com/culture-trends/career-and-money/200907/meet-the-man-who-lives-on-zero-dollars
Daniel Suelo lives in a cave. Unlike the average American�wallowing in credit-card debt, clinging to a mortgage, terrified of the next downsizing at the office�he isn't worried about the economic crisis. That's because he figured out that the best way to stay solvent is to never be solvent in the first place. Nine years ago, in the autumn of 2000, Suelo decided to stop using money. He just quit it, like a bad drug habit. |
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dunc180
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| A little off-topic, but this thread made me think of Down and Out in Paris and London by George Orwell. It's one of my favourite Orwell books and a great insight into a time and place. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Deep Thirteen wrote: |
| There's a term for these types: Freegens. |
Really? I thought it was dirty hippies! |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I could go a year with only buying food, water, transport to work, and any items imperative to doing my job.
I bet my bank account would fatten up a lot. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, but your love life would certainly become quite stagnant for awhile, unless you have a partner who's in on it with you!
As I mentioned, best to be a monk and do it and say you dabbled in a "cultural" or "spiritual" experience. Otherwise you're just one of "those people" |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| next: life with no sex! |
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eljuero
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Living with no money for a year |
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..is possible.
My free and easy life
When Katharine Hibbert lost her job and her flat she didn't just downsize � she decided to dispense with money altogether, living on the stuff the rest of us throw away
"the longer I went without buying things, the fewer things I wanted".
"I had set out to live for free for 12 months, but when my time was up I had no desire to stop. The flat I lived in was comfortable, and my flatmates and I had been in it for months with no threat of eviction. Finding food was no hassle. I slept as much as I liked, read as much as I liked and went out, walking in the park or visiting galleries.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/02/katherine-hibbert-living-without-money |
Trying to live without money in the USA is different from that in England. In Albuquerque you could always find food with uncertain quality at the missions, but you would have to deal with the professional bums that depended on the missions for a good reason, they,re rude, antinsocial, and unemployable. Another thing the missions are policed by the few professional bums lucky enough to get a job at the mission, if you can believe that. But what I wonder is what about rent for the flat and money for necessities? As for as staying in a shelter, because of no money for a flat, there was always a place for the women to stay in Albuquerque, but for the men only in the winter. |
I lived and worked for a year in Albuquerque. Nice enough city and being a bum there is probably better than many cities. A serious problem though is the level of alcoholism (probably more than drugs). Assualts, fights and violence are part of that lifestyle and not a pretty picture when things go bad. Another option in some cities are youth hostels though there is often a time limit on stays.......I stayed at a youth hostel in Albuquerque when I first got there. Often you can get good info and at a minimum learn the ropes while making plans for something better....... |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I've got a paperback called Possum Living by a young woman in the southern U.S. who lived on no money for years living with her Dad in the house they owned. Bartered with friends, foraged in wildlots, got into making crafts. Freaky, sure. |
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BoholDiver
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Some clinics and stuff give free condoms. That would solve one problem.
Yes, not with a materialistic girlfriend.
Money is a funny thing. The more I scrimp and save, the less I want.
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Yeah, but your love life would certainly become quite stagnant for awhile, unless you have a partner who's in on it with you!
As I mentioned, best to be a monk and do it and say you dabbled in a "cultural" or "spiritual" experience. Otherwise you're just one of "those people" |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't read the articles listed here, but one of my uni classes was about alternative lifestyles including sexual, political, economical, ethical and social. Anyway, we spent a bit of time talking about these people, the no-money people. I have a few criticisms.
-These people get off on condemning the 'material' lifestyle, meanwhile they use the benefits they got in that lifestyle to live they way they do now. Many of these people have high education and contacts in the 'material' world, hence the book deals.
-While they condemn the material world, they depend on it completely. The only difference being that I earn my dinner while they eat what's leftover. That's fine if they're ok with that, but they don't get to call me materialistic for eating steak while still sucking the meat off the bone. Now apply that to housing, clothing, electronics and everything else.
-Health care and other social services. That's great these people believe they can live without money, but that's not really true. They depend on substidized public transit, waste disposal, health care, police, laws in general and a whole lot of other things being paid for by the rest of us.
-These people have no interest in helping or protecting those actually forced to live this way. I understand those that really don't have the education, resources, time or skills to form a community, but these tourists are exploiting the truly impoverished to make a name for themselves. They can, and do, leave at any time and return to their real world with book deals and mild fame while nothing is accomplished for the poor. In fact, it goes to reinforce the idea that poverty is a choice and actually not that bad. It's like visiting Haiti, taking an afternoon trip into town from the resort and claiming you went 'local' and it really wasn't that bad.
Really, I have no problem with anyway people want to live their lives. Just stop shoving it in our faces between book deals and photo ops. It reminds me of a friend of mine who, after finding out that I got a job at a Tim Hortons to put myself through Uni, called me a 'corporate slave'. He then went out and cashed the cheque he just received from his grandmother. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| "Mommy I'm a parasite. Aren't you proud?" |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| To Mr. Blackcat: Amen, brother! |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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Our socities really do need to re examine our materialism. We do produce and buy a lot of useless junk. Our homes are filled with it. And we do waste a lot of food.
But brushing your teeth with ground up fish bones you found on the rivers edge is just too extreme. Toothpaste is not a crime. |
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conrad2
Joined: 05 Nov 2009
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Unless these people are willing to walk naked deep into the forest, find a cave, and never return, they need to STFU. The girl in the story had a cell phone for crying out loud. |
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