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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: Obama/Republican Dialogue: Cameras Were a Mistake? |
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House Republicans were fired up and ready to go for their conversation with President Obama at their annual retreat today. According to the New York Times, members of the conservative Republican House Conference said they were �itching to quiz the president and present their policy ideas rather than listen to another lofty presidential address.� Although such sessions generally occur behind closed doors, Republicans agreed to open it up after the White House said it was willing to do so. However, after Obama�s strong performance, some Republicans are now regretting that decision. As Luke Russert reported on MSNBC:
RUSSERT: Tom Cole � former head of the NRCC, congressman from Oklahoma � said, �He scored many points. He did really well.� Barack Obama, for an hour and a half, was able to refute every single Republican talking point used against him on the major issues of the day. In essence, it was almost like a debate where he was front and center for the majority of it. � One Republican said to me, off the record, behind closed doors: �It was a mistake that we allowed the cameras to roll like that. We should not have done that.�
�Accepting the invitation to speak at the House GOP retreat may turn out to be the smartest decision the White House has made in months,� writes the Atlantic�s Marc Ambinder. �Debating a law professor is kind of foolish � the Republican House Caucus has managed to turn Obama�s weakness � his penchant for nuance � into a strength. Plenty of Republicans asked good and probing questions, but Mike Pence, among others, found their arguments simply demolished by the president.� |
Obama came in ready, and pretty much demolished them. Their problem is that Obama's real weak points are the points they agree with him on. Support for Wall Street, support for Bernanke, continuation of warfare, slow implementation of certain progressive policies he campaigned upon, not taking a strong enough stance on health care. These are real vulnerabilities that could have been attacked, but Republicans were unable to take advantage of them without turning into what amounts to political suicide bombers.
Obama would have had a much harder time if put in front of a group of liberals instead, assuming they were willing to be intellectually honest. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Nice try Fox. ThinkProgress is your source for the article? And Foxnews is biased?
http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&topic=h&ncl=dPSMlPfdEQxCsyMqGG7BlBRy-6IWM
Over 50 articles in the first page alone. None of them say that Obama demolished and refuted every single of the Republicans talking points.
I guess articles from any place are fair game. I'll post one from I_luv_bananas1532. He wrote an article about Obama. It says: "Obama is a Bolshevik and everyone in the country thinks so because its posted on the internet. The sources to prove it are a twitter tweet, a link to Rush Limbaugh's quote, and a link to a World of Warcraft profile." |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| I think it was a good discussion. And yes, I think the article and the video clip are a bit biased. I thought the reps from UT, MN, and IL had some good questions. Definitely worth watching if you have an hour to spare. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Nice try Fox. ThinkProgress is your source for the article? And Foxnews is biased? |
What are you, retarded? The source for the claim in question was a reporter on MSNBC, it's just posted on thinkprogress. The video is literally included on the webpage. Why do you say something stupid every time you open your mouth?
I don't actually agree he perfectly refuted everything that was brought up, but discussing such nuanced matters with you is a waste of time, so please don't expect it. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| I think it was a good discussion. And yes, I think the article and the video clip are a bit biased. I thought the reps from UT, MN, and IL had some good questions. Definitely worth watching if you have an hour to spare. |
I don't disagree with this, I simply agree that Obama had good responses for those individuals. In fact, I think his weakest response was to the representative from Wisconsin; Obama dismissed his budget increase figure as coming from automatic increases built into the law, and when the representative in question pointed out that those were mandatory increases and thus not included in his math, Obama just kind of said, "Yeah, we'll talk about it later." If I was going to attack his performance, that's where I'd start. The representative in question was actually really positive and constructive too, pairing his question with a constructive suggestion that the President seemed interested in. Personally I don't think Presidents should have line-item veto power, but I think the representative did well to pair criticism with constructive suggestion (a real suggestion, not magic pony nonsense like "We can create twice the jobs using half the money," without any real evidence backing that up). |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Nice try Fox. ThinkProgress is your source for the article? And Foxnews is biased? |
What are you, retarded? The source for the claim in question was a reporter on MSNBC, it's just posted on thinkprogress. The video is literally included on the webpage. Why do you say something stupid every time you open your mouth?
I don't actually agree he perfectly refuted everything that was brought up, but discussing such nuanced matters with you is a waste of time, so please don't expect it. |
Sorry Fox, MSNBC is DEFINATELY not biased. Do a google search of "MSNBC bias". Why don't you tell me which side 99% of the websites say MSNBC roots for?
Did you even look at the links in the thinkprogress article (MSNBC article). One of their sources is a freaking twitter post from Luke Russert. And guess what? LUKE RUSSERT NEVER SAID IT WAS A MISTAKE TO BRING CAMERAS. Some AIDES told him that, and he was simply tweeting what his aides said. But, if you read the article, it makes it sound like he said it himself.
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| One Republican said to me, off the record, behind closed doors: �It was a mistake that we allowed the cameras to roll like that. We should not have done that.� |
Directly from Russert's post. How does one Republican equal some Republicans? Who is the Republican? Could it be that it was his GOP AIDE that told him? GOP AIDES are certainly Republicans. They don't hold office, but they are Republicans. Who are the actual Congressmen that said that?
Are going to sit there and defend that the article is NOT biased? That the writer of the article is NOT trying to convince the reader that the Republicans have nothing concrete to complain to Obama about, and they are just full of hot air?
Come on now. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/30/AR2010013001492_2.html?hpid=topnews
This is the Washington Post. You might have heard of it.
Read the article. VERY different tone than the article you posted. Obama came away with more than the GOP did. That's not to say the GOP didn't get anything positive out of it either. Nowhere in that article does it say Obama decimated, destroyed, defeated, conquered, body slammed the GOP. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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I thought I made it clear I considered conversation with you regarding this subject a waste of time. Bucheon Bum raised an intelligent point, and I responded to him, because even though we don't always agree, he -- like most people here -- is reasonable and interesting, thoughtful, and capable of nuanced consideration. But in your ignorant, partisan rush to babble, you missed that, didn't you?
Thank you for posting your thoughts on the matter. I'm sure they will be of interest to someone. |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
I thought I made it clear I considered conversation with you regarding this subject a waste of time. Bucheon Bum raised an intelligent point, and I responded to him, because even though we don't always agree, he -- like most people here -- is reasonable and interesting, thoughtful, and capable of nuanced consideration. But in your ignorant, partisan rush to babble, you missed that, didn't you?
Thank you for posting your thoughts on the matter. I'm sure they will be of interest to someone. |
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| Are going to sit there and defend that the article is NOT biased? That the writer of the article is NOT trying to convince the reader that the Republicans have nothing concrete to complain to Obama about, and they are just full of hot air? |
A waste of time? Yes, it is a waste of time because you tried to post a blatantly biased article to try and get readers/posters of this forum to agree to your distorted view that Obama is decimating and destroying all Republican opposition. And that Republicans are just so full of crap and don't know what the hell they are doing.
I called out that article because it was suspect. The sources used in the article are suspect. And every article I can find on Google News doesn't came anywhere NEAR saying Obama kicked the pants off the Republicans in the meeting.
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
I don't actually agree he perfectly refuted everything that was brought up, but discussing such nuanced matters with you is a waste of time, so please don't expect it. |
No, you didn't actually agree. You also didn't DISAGREE with any of the article. By you posting the article and bolding the points you did, I naturally assumed you agreed with it 100%.
If you had posted something along the lines of. "Obama and House GOP has a heated discussion. Any thoughts on it."
Then I would, in turn, post something to contribute to the thread. Instead, you start off the topic with an article blatantly biased towards one point of view. Of course someone is going to come in and question the article when 100 other news sources at the top of the list of a google search says otherwise. |
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