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redaxe



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up in a somewhat affluent suburb of Seattle and my high school was about 20-25% Asian-American. Within the Asians there was a pretty diverse mix of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Viet, Filipino, but all those ethnic groups had some people who were more "FOB" and some people who were more assimilated.

Obviously most of the more FOB ones had only Asian friends and got ignored by the white kids, while the more "whitewashed" Asian kids had more white friends. And I'd say out of those groups the Koreans tended to be the most "FOB" while the Japanese were the most assimilated, and the Chinese and others were somewhere in between. There are historical reasons for this; most of the Japanese immigrants came pre-WWII and they did not even really teach their children Japanese, they tried hard to assimilate. Whereas the Koreans are all much more recent immigrants.

Anyhow, basically the white people at my high school were never uncomfortable being around Asians, and there was very little tension or conflict. Sometimes we made fun of them for driving those tuned up "rice rocket" Hondas, but lots of us drove those things too. And there was a lot of interracial dating going on. Mostly white male/Asian female of course, but I also knew quite a few Asian guys with white girlfriends.

So in my experience, there was a lot of integrating and assimilating going on between white and Asian kids. And in my community there were also a lot of Asian-American politicians, and they got a big chunk of the white vote. I also don't think Asians face very much, if any, discrimination when applying for jobs. I don't know why Asians seem much more integrated in Seattle compared to some other places where they are more segregated; perhaps it's an economic thing? Seattle's a pretty young city that's mostly white collar, and the "working-class" population is pretty small.
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lichtarbeiter



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Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9 reasons why I left Korea:

1) Missed friends/family in Canada.

2) I don't want live a Korean lifestyle my entire life. I want to have a family with a normal 2-story house and nice backyard, not an apartment in a concrete block. I want to get off work at 5 and come home and have dinner, not work until 7 or 8 and then go pound soju with my co-workers.

3) Korea is too culturally homogenous. There seems to be a lack of selection of anything international here, whether it's food, alcohol, cars, you name it. If I'm craving Greek food, I don't want to take an hour bus ride into Seoul.

4) I find Korean cities to be ugly and lacking in architectural creativity. Maybe this is nitpicking, but your visual environment has a major effect on your mood.

5) While I never really had any particularly bad experiences with Korean people, I did find them, in general, to lack the openmindedness towards other cultures that you see in Canada and the US. Also, too many of them seem to have that "I don't want to learn English because I'm in Korea" attitude, whereas in other countries (especially in Europe) people understand the importance of being competent in the world language in this current age of globalization. It's not that I think people should learn my language so they can accomodate ME, it's just that I think everyone should be able to communicate in the world language - if that language was Korean, I would gladly bust my hump studying it. Also, Koreans are too socially conservative for my liking.

6) I cannot watch hockey or football in Korea because they don't broadcast the games there, and even if they did I couldn't watch them because I'm at work due to the time zone difference. Sometimes you can catch an American baseball game on the weekends, but I usually I like to come home after work, have a drink, and watch the Blue Jays.

7) I do NOT want to be an English teacher my entire life. And even if I got a different job, salaries tend to be higher in the west than in Korea.

Cool LAUNDRY DRYERS! I know they're not environmentally friendly, but damn they make things so easy and your clothes feel so much better.

9) It rains too much in the summer!
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placeshifter



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cerberus wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
There was recently a nationwide poll in the US asking Americans whether they would support:

1. A Black-American President
2. A Latino President
3. A Female President
4. An Asian-American President

Turns out Americans were ready to support any of the above EXCEPT an "Asian-American President". The vast majority of ALL AMERICANS were AGAINST a President of Asian heritage.

Does this make the majority of all Americans insidiously racist and discriminatory, just like Koreans?


link please


I'll call BS on that "poll" as well.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/24832/six-americans-think-us-ready-female-president.aspx

Generally speaking, do you think Americans are ready to elect a/an [RANDOM ORDER] as president, or not?

Woman READY 61% NOT READY 38%
Black READY 58% NOT READY 40%
Jew READY 55% NOT READY 42%
Hispanic READY 48% NOT READY 64%
Asian READY 33% NOT READY 64%


So I was slightly off. I guess a Latino is right below 50%.

But Asians shouldn't worry. There's no discrimination against them in the US...as long as they're up against a gay candidate (only 7%) ready. Laughing
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dosed_neurons



Joined: 23 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they should make more options, like WASP stock investor or redneck oil failure....i'd vote a big NO to both...funny.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oprah would appear to be in prime position....
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Cerberus



Joined: 29 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

placeshifter wrote:
Cerberus wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
There was recently a nationwide poll in the US asking Americans whether they would support:

1. A Black-American President
2. A Latino President
3. A Female President
4. An Asian-American President

Turns out Americans were ready to support any of the above EXCEPT an "Asian-American President". The vast majority of ALL AMERICANS were AGAINST a President of Asian heritage.

Does this make the majority of all Americans insidiously racist and discriminatory, just like Koreans?


link please


I'll call BS on that "poll" as well.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/24832/six-americans-think-us-ready-female-president.aspx

Generally speaking, do you think Americans are ready to elect a/an [RANDOM ORDER] as president, or not?

Woman READY 61% NOT READY 38%
Black READY 58% NOT READY 40%
Jew READY 55% NOT READY 42%
Hispanic READY 48% NOT READY 64%
Asian READY 33% NOT READY 64%


So I was slightly off. I guess a Latino is right below 50%.

But Asians shouldn't worry. There's no discrimination against them in the US...as long as they're up against a gay candidate (only 7%) ready. Laughing


as that boob Joe Wilson may shout out:

THEY LIE

this "poll" is a complete and total joke. I don't believe it for a nanosecond.

the real answers are fairly obvious to just about any American

1) woman
2) Asian
3) Latin
4) Black (woman before man)

actually I may now put Latin before Asian, depends which area of the country we're talking about.

the hick boob Harry Reid was right about Obama, he of the "not too dark skin" and without a "negro dialect". (harry's words)

the US just had eight years of a white guy who spoke uneducated English with a hick dialect. Now imagine a street brother speaking ebonics running for President, winning and winning reelection.

Rolling Eyes

btw.. Asian Bobby Jindal (he obviously looks Indian) won the governorship in CRACKER Louisiana!!!! no other race could win prominent office in cracker Louisiana.
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curiousaboutkorea



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

placeshifter wrote:
Cerberus wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
There was recently a nationwide poll in the US asking Americans whether they would support:

1. A Black-American President
2. A Latino President
3. A Female President
4. An Asian-American President

Turns out Americans were ready to support any of the above EXCEPT an "Asian-American President". The vast majority of ALL AMERICANS were AGAINST a President of Asian heritage.

Does this make the majority of all Americans insidiously racist and discriminatory, just like Koreans?


link please


I'll call BS on that "poll" as well.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/24832/six-americans-think-us-ready-female-president.aspx

Generally speaking, do you think Americans are ready to elect a/an [RANDOM ORDER] as president, or not?

Woman READY 61% NOT READY 38%
Black READY 58% NOT READY 40%
Jew READY 55% NOT READY 42%
Hispanic READY 48% NOT READY 64%
Asian READY 33% NOT READY 64%


So I was slightly off. I guess a Latino is right below 50%.

But Asians shouldn't worry. There's no discrimination against them in the US...as long as they're up against a gay candidate (only 7%) ready. Laughing


The poll does not ask if the pollee would support a candidate of said characteristic. It asks whether the pollee thinks Americans (the country as a whole) are ready to elect a person with said characteristic.

I'd support a gay president if he or she had the qualifications. But I don't think Americans are ready to elect one. So it looks like I'm in the "not ready" category. Make sense?
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Cerberus



Joined: 29 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
Cerberus wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
There was recently a nationwide poll in the US asking Americans whether they would support:

1. A Black-American President
2. A Latino President
3. A Female President
4. An Asian-American President

Turns out Americans were ready to support any of the above EXCEPT an "Asian-American President". The vast majority of ALL AMERICANS were AGAINST a President of Asian heritage.

Does this make the majority of all Americans insidiously racist and discriminatory, just like Koreans?


link please


I'll call BS on that "poll" as well.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/24832/six-americans-think-us-ready-female-president.aspx

Generally speaking, do you think Americans are ready to elect a/an [RANDOM ORDER] as president, or not?

Woman READY 61% NOT READY 38%
Black READY 58% NOT READY 40%
Jew READY 55% NOT READY 42%
Hispanic READY 48% NOT READY 64%
Asian READY 33% NOT READY 64%


So I was slightly off. I guess a Latino is right below 50%.

But Asians shouldn't worry. There's no discrimination against them in the US...as long as they're up against a gay candidate (only 7%) ready. Laughing


The poll does not ask if the pollee would support a candidate of said characteristic. It asks whether the pollee thinks Americans (the country as a whole) are ready to elect a person with said characteristic.

I'd support a gay president if he or she had the qualifications. But I don't think Americans are ready to elect one. So it looks like I'm in the "not ready" category. Make sense?


kind of, but not really.

I don't think people in rural North Carolina can really comment on what the voters in New York's Upper West Side are ready for... or whom they'd vote for and vice versa.

I stand by my personal poll results and if you were smart, you would too Smile

Obama did benefit (and there was a lot of discussion about this during the primaries amongst political pundits) from a large swath of college educated white vote that for lack of a better word "wanted" to vote for a black candidate as a way of making themselves feeling better about themselves and escaping 'white guilt' (which I've never had btw.. I'm not guilty of jack squat)

hell this even affected me. I'd have voted for Obama if he were martian, but the fact I was participating in history and I was sticking it to redneck, crackerjack and white trash nation made me feel better inside.

I don't see this same sense of "history" happening for a female candidate or any other ethnic group, much less sexual orientation in my lifetime.

I'm also not sure it will help the next national African American candidate. History can only be "made", once.
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curiousaboutkorea



Joined: 21 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cerberus wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
Cerberus wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:
placeshifter wrote:
There was recently a nationwide poll in the US asking Americans whether they would support:

1. A Black-American President
2. A Latino President
3. A Female President
4. An Asian-American President

Turns out Americans were ready to support any of the above EXCEPT an "Asian-American President". The vast majority of ALL AMERICANS were AGAINST a President of Asian heritage.

Does this make the majority of all Americans insidiously racist and discriminatory, just like Koreans?


link please


I'll call BS on that "poll" as well.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/24832/six-americans-think-us-ready-female-president.aspx

Generally speaking, do you think Americans are ready to elect a/an [RANDOM ORDER] as president, or not?

Woman READY 61% NOT READY 38%
Black READY 58% NOT READY 40%
Jew READY 55% NOT READY 42%
Hispanic READY 48% NOT READY 64%
Asian READY 33% NOT READY 64%


So I was slightly off. I guess a Latino is right below 50%.

But Asians shouldn't worry. There's no discrimination against them in the US...as long as they're up against a gay candidate (only 7%) ready. Laughing


The poll does not ask if the pollee would support a candidate of said characteristic. It asks whether the pollee thinks Americans (the country as a whole) are ready to elect a person with said characteristic.

I'd support a gay president if he or she had the qualifications. But I don't think Americans are ready to elect one. So it looks like I'm in the "not ready" category. Make sense?


kind of, but not really.

I don't think people in rural North Carolina can really comment on what the voters in New York's Upper West Side are ready for... or whom they'd vote for and vice versa.

I stand by my personal poll results and if you were smart, you would too Smile

Obama did benefit (and there was a lot of discussion about this during the primaries amongst political pundits) from a large swath of college educated white vote that for lack of a better word "wanted" to vote for a black candidate as a way of making themselves feeling better about themselves and escaping 'white guilt' (which I've never had btw.. I'm not guilty of jack squat)

hell this even affected me. I'd have voted for Obama if he were martian, but the fact I was participating in history and I was sticking it to redneck, crackerjack and white trash nation made me feel better inside.

I don't see this same sense of "history" happening for a female candidate or any other ethnic group, much less sexual orientation in my lifetime.

I'm also not sure it will help the next national African American candidate. History can only be "made", once.


Then why didn't the poll just ask if the pollee is ready to support a candidate of the stated characteristic?
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Cerberus



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
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Sector7G



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

curiousaboutkorea wrote:

I'd support a gay president if he or she had the qualifications. But I don't think Americans are ready to elect one. So it looks like I'm in the "not ready" category. Make sense?


No, not really, unless you mean you only vote for "electable" candidates. But if you remember, Obama was probably not considered "electable"until January 2008.
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curiousaboutkorea



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sector7G wrote:
curiousaboutkorea wrote:

I'd support a gay president if he or she had the qualifications. But I don't think Americans are ready to elect one. So it looks like I'm in the "not ready" category. Make sense?


No, not really, unless you mean you only vote for "electable" candidates. But if you remember, Obama was probably not considered "electable"until January 2008.


Quote:
Generally speaking, do you think Americans are ready to elect a/an [RANDOM ORDER] as president, or not?


The poll is not asking for whom I'm ready to vote. It's asking what do I think about that state of our country in regards to race/gender etc when it comes to the electability of president.

Would you vote for a gay president if he/she were the most qualified? I hope so

Do you think the American public would vote for a gay president if he/she were most qualified? I don't think so, unfortunate as it may be.

The first part of my post that you left out of my quote was pretty important to the part you quoted.
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Sadebugo1



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Why DON'T You Want to Stay in Korea? Reply with quote

fustiancorduroy wrote:
Hi, fustiancorduroy here.

You might remember me from such threads as "Korea is Slammin'" and "What's the deal with working at a Uni".

Today, I'm here to find out the answer to one simple question: Why DON'T you want to stay in Korea? I understand that people each have different expectations and hopes for their lives, but as I read threads on this site, I see many people mentioning that most of the people they know don't like Korea. To me, this is puzzling. I really do like living here in hustle and bustle of Seoul, learning the language and using it to meet people from all over the world, and working at a great paying job doing what I love (writing).

With so many great things about Korea, what makes you NOT want to stay here? Missing family and friends from back home? Not being able to use English wherever you go? Fewer, more expensive Western food choices? Dishonest employer? Overly fast-paced, high pressure culture? Something else? I'm curious to know.


I guess the biggest issue for me was how I was treated by the Korean people. I didn't realize how bad it was while I was there and even had second thoughts about leaving the country when the time came. But, once I got settled in Saudi, it really crystallized for me how bad Korea had been. In Saudi, the people were much nicer and the work environment was far more professional. I never looked back after that.

Sadebugo
http://travldawrld.blogspot.com/
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Cerberus



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:21 am    Post subject: Six of 10 Koreans Unsatisfied With Life Reply with quote

Six of 10 Koreans Unsatisfied With Life

Interesting considering Korea is much economically better off compared to the rest of its polled Asian neighbors.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2010/02/123_60007.html

Quote:
Only four out of 10 Koreans are satisfied with their quality of life, according to Citi Fin-Q, a survey designed by Citigroup. Six out of 10 said their finances were affected by the global financial crisis.

The survey, which measures the financial well-being of consumers, found Koreans less satisfied with their life compared with their neighbors in Asia-Pacific.

It showed that only 43 percent of Koreans are either somewhat or very satisfied with their current quality of life, which is considerably lower than the regional average of 67 percent.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I read page 1 of the thread, and just to the last page. Its like night and day.
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