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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: Obama Spanks the GOP again and AGAIN |
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Obama was invited to a House Republican meeting in Baltimore on Friday. It was so effective that Fox stopped the broadcast 20 minutes before the end. (No doubt they had a good scheduling reason.)
"President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/obama-goes-to-the-gop-lio_n_442331.html
He was even-handed overall, but there was some scolding going on. Ezra Klein said it was some of the best political theater he's ever seen. I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it was an effective performance.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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The Republicans looked petty and unserious. Obama did very well. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Obama being able to stand up there and point out specific Republican-supported policies he's supported was absolutely crushing to the Republicans. In fact, he had very good answers to almost everything. I think his answer to the 80% discretionary budget increase figure from the Congressman from Wisconsin was fairly weak, but otherwise, he seemed prepared and in control of the situation, able to give real examples of Republican policies he's adopted and supported. His, "We have to close the gap between rhetoric and reality," criticism was spot on too; these lunatics really hurt our political system while pursuing their political ambitions. His response to the Republican pushing his pet healthcare bill was pretty strong too.
There's a reason why Republicans didn't want cameras in here, and their fears were borne out. The funny thing is, the strongest criticisms the Republicans could have made of Obama were all avoided because they would have been attacking private industry in the process, and thus damaged the Republican's own platform. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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"Although the riveting exchange lasted over an hour, both CNN and MSNBC aired the entire event.
However, at 1:11 p.m. ET � when there was still 20 minutes left to go � Fox News decided to cut away and begin its commentary. Anchor Trace Gallagher�s immediate reaction was that Obama was being too �combative� and �lecturing� � like he was at his State of the Union address...
Not only did Fox cut away from the Obama-GOP exchange, but the network then brought on Rep. Peter King (R-NY)... � about 10 minutes later to start commenting on Obama�s performance."
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/29/fox-obama-retreat/
As it turns out, 'lecturing' is the GOP talking point about the SOTU address. A network repeating a political talking point. Who would have thought?
My favorite was the last exchange, when the guy complained that Obama was borrowing as much each month as Bush had in one year. "You know that's just not true." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I particularly liked this comment at FireDogLake:
"The president showed nimble footwork and answered most issues frankly and without pretense. He looked good doing so. So good, in fact, that the GOP may have been taken aback some, while the likes of Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow were positively gushing as they fawned over each and every Obama exchange in detail. Chris Mathews had tingles running up both legs. Their collective two-hour special last night was so soaked in moist and teary Obama-love that the WH political staff must have been dancing and popping corks.
Calm down, Keith, it was a debate."
http://firedoglake.com/ |
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Street Magic
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The brilliance of the Republican anti-Obama strategy is that he's seen as proving their points the most when he's at his best. Liberals will get out of hand in praising him a little too much and conservatives will react by bringing back the messiah/superstar/out of touch intellectual snob smears. I believe Tom Price already commented on Obama's lack of "humility" in knowing the talking points too well. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Street Magic wrote: |
The brilliance of the Republican anti-Obama strategy is that he's seen as proving their points the most when he's at his best. Liberals will get out of hand in praising him a little too much and conservatives will react by bringing back the messiah/superstar/out of touch intellectual snob smears. I believe Tom Price already commented on Obama's lack of "humility" in knowing the talking points too well. |
The bolded part hits it right on the head. I don't know why the liberals are so happy and proud about this. Maybe its to turn their attention away from the fact that they are going to get decimated in the midterm elections in November. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:22 am Post subject: |
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The bolded part hits it right on the head. |
Should we conclude from this that you agree the smear mentioned by Street Magic ("conservatives will react by bringing back the messiah/superstar/out of touch intellectual snob smears") will be used, OR that you endorse using the smear OR that the smear is true?
I've no doubt the smear will be used as a tactic. After using Hitler, Stalin and witch doctor with a bone through his nose, 'intellectual' is pretty weak tea.
After 3 very good performances in as many days, Obama's poll numbers should be up a point or two this coming week. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:28 am Post subject: |
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The funny thing is, the strongest criticisms the Republicans could have made of Obama were all avoided because they would have been attacking private industry in the process, and thus damaged the Republican's own platform. |
Would you be able to elaborate on this? You may well have a very valid point, I'm just not clear as to what issues you're referening here. |
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Fox

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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:45 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
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The funny thing is, the strongest criticisms the Republicans could have made of Obama were all avoided because they would have been attacking private industry in the process, and thus damaged the Republican's own platform. |
Would you be able to elaborate on this? You may well have a very valid point, I'm just not clear as to what issues you're referening here. |
Well, here are a few examples:
1) His excessive support for Wall Street; he talks tough in speeches, but in terms of policy he's given them pretty much everything they could want, and continues to strongly support Wall Street's own supporters (e.g. Bernanke, Geithner). He's way too soft on Wall Street.
2) His extreme slowness to repeal DADT; this is something he should have opened his Presidency with. Ending one of the last bastions of institutionalized discrimination in our country should have been a high priority for him.
3) His unwillingness to fight for sound policies like a Public Option; at the first sign of difficulty he pretty much divorced himself from the entire idea.
4) His adoption of Republican-esque proposals like a spending freeze on all discretionary spending except defense, security, etc. That's right out of the Republican playbook. Hell, it's right out of McCain's campaign of memory serves.
These are all things that I think the President is very vulnerable on, but Republicans can't really attack him regarding them because they're things Republicans approve of. How can they bash him for not being hard enough on Wall Street without invalidating claims that they're pro-free market? How can they attack him on the slowness of a DADT repeal they don't support themselves? They can't call him out on not fighting enough for a Public Option because they helped kill it, and they can't call him out on exempting defense and security from a potential spending freeze because their political strategy is largely defense and security based. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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The bolded part hits it right on the head. |
Should we conclude from this that you agree the smear mentioned by Street Magic ("conservatives will react by bringing back the messiah/superstar/out of touch intellectual snob smears") will be used, OR that you endorse using the smear OR that the smear is true?
I've no doubt the smear will be used as a tactic. After using Hitler, Stalin and witch doctor with a bone through his nose, 'intellectual' is pretty weak tea.
After 3 very good performances in as many days, Obama's poll numbers should be up a point or two this coming week. |
I agree that Liberals will rejoice and call it a victory for Obama (ala Dave's poster Fox). I also agree that many conservatives will play down the meeting (Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh).
The fact of the matter is, the Republicans are holding a better hand. Obama can shoot down Republicans left and right. It doesn't matter because debating Republicans 1000000000 times isn't going to change the unemployment numbers, the deficit, and the Health Care Bill that is growing ever more unpopular among the American public.
The Dems, and Obama, need unemployment to go down. They need the Republicans on their side to pass the health care reform, and they need to control their spending. Unless those 3 things happen, this whole debate meant nothing. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
On the other hand wrote: |
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The funny thing is, the strongest criticisms the Republicans could have made of Obama were all avoided because they would have been attacking private industry in the process, and thus damaged the Republican's own platform. |
Would you be able to elaborate on this? You may well have a very valid point, I'm just not clear as to what issues you're referening here. |
Well, here are a few examples:
1) His excessive support for Wall Street; he talks tough in speeches, but in terms of policy he's given them pretty much everything they could want, and continues to strongly support Wall Street's own supporters (e.g. Bernanke, Geithner). He's way too soft on Wall Street.
2) His extreme slowness to repeal DADT; this is something he should have opened his Presidency with. Ending one of the last bastions of institutionalized discrimination in our country should have been a high priority for him.
3) His unwillingness to fight for sound policies like a Public Option; at the first sign of difficulty he pretty much divorced himself from the entire idea.
4) His adoption of Republican-esque proposals like a spending freeze on all discretionary spending except defense, security, etc. That's right out of the Republican playbook. Hell, it's right out of McCain's campaign of memory serves.
These are all things that I think the President is very vulnerable on, but Republicans can't really attack him regarding them because they're things Republicans approve of. |
All four of your points are very "Republicanesque," reminding us of bacasper's classic post of Oct. 29, 2007 (over a year before the election when Hillary was still the heavy favorite ), Will a Republocrat save us? in which
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You could not fit a sliver of paper in between the ideologies of Dick Cheney and Barack Obama. |
So now I want to ask the Republicans here (anyone who still claims there is some significant difference between the Republocrats and the Demoblicans may also answer), if your guy was in now, exactly what would he be doing differently than BO?
Don't you love saying, "I told you so!" |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
So now I want to ask the Republicans here (anyone who still claims there is some significant difference between the Republocrats and the Demoblicans may also answer), if your guy was in now, exactly what would he be doing differently than BO?
Don't you love saying, "I told you so!" |
Not sure how this can be answered. We can all speculate what will happen, but we don't know for sure. Lets look back 2 years ago when Obama and Hillary were slugging it out for the Democrat Primaries. Look at the arguments of the people who said support Obama as the better candidate. I'm sure they started their statements with, "If Obama were President we will....." Now look at Obama after year 1. Has he lived up to people's expectations? Is he more than what people thought he would be? Is he less? Is he about the same as people expected?
Lets say McCain won. I don't think we could've done much. With a Democrat controlled Congress, what could he do? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Richard Wolff talks about the strategy behind last week's Obama Offensive:
"Under fire, the public having decidedly cooled on him, his agenda stalled on Capitol Hill, Obama has returned to what�s worked for him in the past: He�s gone on the offensive, in a return to the dynamics of the campaign trail. It began with the State of the Union address, and continued with a boisterous event in Tampa on Thursday. The session with House Republicans conjured the familiar dynamics of the 2008 debates. "The calm and level-headed responses, the back and forth with attendees, was actually him enjoying the back and forth," said one senior White House official. "We're all pretty sure he had a good time."
But the shift signaled more than a desire to loosen up and have fun. He�s also more actively engaging the opposition, determined to draw them off the sidelines�the GOP�s �party of no� strategy has clearly been working�and back into the game. Liberals may have faulted him for offering some Republican-friendly ideas in his State of the Union address. But those initiatives will also force the GOP to make choices�choices that will shift the narrative from the president�s troubles in keeping his majority together onto the fissures in Republican ranks."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-29/obamas-plan-to-split-the-gop/
Will it work? It'll be interesting to watch this week to see how the GOP responds. They voted unanimously against PAYGO on Thursday. Will they continue their Just Say No campaign? I wonder if anyone else felt they sounded whiny on Friday. If others thought so, it would indicate time for a change in strategy.
PS: Considering the GOP voted unanimously against the stimulus, I would hazard a guess McCain wouldn't have proposed one had he been elected. One result then would have been more teachers and cops laid off this past year. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
bacasper wrote: |
So now I want to ask the Republicans here (anyone who still claims there is some significant difference between the Republocrats and the Demoblicans may also answer), if your guy was in now, exactly what would he be doing differently than BO?
Don't you love saying, "I told you so!" |
Not sure how this can be answered. We can all speculate what will happen, but we don't know for sure. Lets look back 2 years ago when Obama and Hillary were slugging it out for the Democrat Primaries. Look at the arguments of the people who said support Obama as the better candidate. I'm sure they started their statements with, "If Obama were President we will....." Now look at Obama after year 1. Has he lived up to people's expectations? Is he more than what people thought he would be? Is he less? Is he about the same as people expected?
Lets say McCain won. I don't think we could've done much. With a Democrat controlled Congress, what could he do? |
OK, then. Another vote for, "It wouldn't have made much of a difference."
So then why are you so against BO? |
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