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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:17 am    Post subject: Domestic Abuse Situation Reply with quote

I heard a husband and wife arguing in the apartment next to me. The husband hit the wife hard enough that I could hear it.

I do not speak Korean. I did nothing about it. Was this the right decision?
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ChilgokBlackHole



Joined: 21 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:29 am    Post subject: Re: Domestic Abuse Situation Reply with quote

DosEquisXX wrote:
I heard a husband and wife arguing in the apartment next to me. The husband hit the wife hard enough that I could hear it.

I do not speak Korean. I did nothing about it. Was this the right decision?

Absolutely. Even cops don't like responding to domestic abuse calls. One's going to the hospital and the other's going to jail. You put yourself in that situation, you're asking to get beaten down and then arrested for your trouble. Stay out of the way.
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DosEquisXX



Joined: 04 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Domestic Abuse Situation Reply with quote

ChilgokBlackHole wrote:
DosEquisXX wrote:
I heard a husband and wife arguing in the apartment next to me. The husband hit the wife hard enough that I could hear it.

I do not speak Korean. I did nothing about it. Was this the right decision?

Absolutely. Even cops don't like responding to domestic abuse calls. One's going to the hospital and the other's going to jail. You put yourself in that situation, you're asking to get beaten down and then arrested for your trouble. Stay out of the way.


I did not know domestic abuse was actually prosecuted in this country.

Beaten down? By who? The cops or some vigilante attack by the family of the husband?

Anyway, is the consensus that staying out of it was the correct decision?
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mc_jc



Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the best thing to do is to let the couple handle it themselves.
All you have to do is do a search on husband/wife or even boyfriend/girlfriend beatings and see what happened to some of the posters who intervened.
Some of the victims actually stick up for their attacker, leaving the person who intervened looking bad or even getting arrested.

So again, yeah you did the right thing.
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RufusW



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... there's the possibility of getting a Korean co-worker to call it in anonymously for you. If there's other neighbours I suppose they wouldn't know it was you.

Quite a conundrum. What what you do if you saw him hit her? What would you do if it happened outside their apartment? I don't know.
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redaxe



Joined: 01 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could make a noise complaint, but for god's sake do not try to break up a fight between a husband and wife in Korea. Chances are that both of them will turn on you.
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mayorgc



Joined: 19 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 of my neighbors beat on their wives/girlfriends. Sounds like MMA sometimes. One time, the woman sounded like she was getting killed or raped or something.

I cared at first, but I seemed to be the only one, so I stopped.
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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Domestic Abuse Situation Reply with quote

Domestic violence is in fact against the law in Korea.

In you don't know Korean, to report domestic violence, call the 24-hour tourist hotline at 1330. They provide English service. Tell the person that you don't speak Korean so you need them to call the police for you and give them the location of where the problem is at.

I did that once. It was late and night and some guy and his woman where having an argument and he was holding a big stick. There was some shoving but he didn't wack her with the stick but likely would of. The lady herself was tough but foolish and she would shove back instead of simply leaving. The guy was way bigger than her plus he had a big stick, so she should of just ran away instead of pushing back. The place was crowded with people but nobody seemed to care.

I called the 24-hour tourist hotline at 1330 and gave the person on the other line all the info and just then two cops run over to the couple. So someone had already called before I did. So I then told the person that the cops had just arrived so there was no need for her to call the police also.

Cool
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Rocktek



Joined: 17 Dec 2009
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: Domestic Abuse Situation Reply with quote

DosEquisXX wrote:
I heard a husband and wife arguing in the apartment next to me. The husband hit the wife hard enough that I could hear it.

I do not speak Korean. I did nothing about it. Was this the right decision?


You ever see that episode of LOST when Michael jumps in the fight between Sun and Jin? She immediately slaps Michael down to make sure Jin doesn't use some of his gangpay techniques on him.

It also wasn't his "place" to come between them. You have to understand that you can't superimpose your cultural values on Koreans, and expect them to react as you would. It will never happen.

Interesting tidbit, Kim Yun Jin (who originally auditioned for the part of Kate, and whose character was written into the story after JJ Abrahms met her), also consults with the show�s writers to make sure that the "Korean" characters are "authentic" in their behavior. Food for thought.
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tokkibunni8



Joined: 13 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leaving it alone was probably best for you. I experienced that about two years ago. It would happen late night (2am etc) quite often and I just crank up my music pretending nothing was happening.

The sad part is that the highrise apartment I live in has many of my students living here. This couple has two students that I taught during that time. It was hard trying not to do anything about it knowing that the kids were likely in the apartment at the time.

I figured if i can hear him shouting and she crying and awful noises like things being thrown then I'm sure my other neighbors (across and next to their apartment) can heaer it too and if they're not doing anything then why should I, a foreigner, try to.
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vaticanhotline



Joined: 18 Jun 2009
Location: in the most decent sometimes sun

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, this kind of thing isn't about "cultural values", but about human nature. Victims of domestic abuse will often blame themselves for being beaten, and will rush to defend their attacker. The other posters are right, the best thing to do is to stay out of it, unless you're fluent in Korean, but to say that the behaviour of the victim is culturally unique to Koreans or Asians in general is simplistic at best and racist at worst.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they won't come out for a domestic violence case you can always make a noise control complaint.

also you sure you heard what you heard. I had an ex that used to throw things and make a lot of noise. Just saying
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tokkibunni8



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
If they won't come out for a domestic violence case you can always make a noise control complaint.

also you sure you heard what you heard. I had an ex that used to throw things and make a lot of noise. Just saying


I know what I heard. My Korean may not be fluent but the only time you will hear me speak English is when I'm in class or surrounded by students. There are nights when I can hear their arguments clearly followed by crying then footsteps out the hall. And, trust me, it wasn't pretty to the ears.

There may or maynot have been any physical abuse going on, but i sure know those weren't tears of joy. They moved out 7 or 8 months after I moved in. Somehow, I was glad but on the other hand, wonder how those kids are doing.
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't let your fellow scaredy cat teachers dissuade you from doing what's right.

Next time it happens, knock down the door, put him in a sleeper (if you don't know what one is just ask captain korea) and briskly sweep the damsel off her feet.

She will think she has been rescued by prince charming and divorce him on the spot and go live with you.
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Oliver



Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a toughie. Back home we wouldn't think twice about phoning the police. In Korea it can be difficult. You can actually feel very alienated listening to it. At the end of the day though it comes down to what is right or wrong. Beating another human being is wrong. You can choose to do nothing or you can choose to act.

The culture argument begins to wear very thin very quickly.
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