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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: Costco is selling the Dell Mini 10v for 400,000 won |
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I saw the Dell Mini 10v on at Costco for 400,000 won today. I know this isn't the cheapest netbook you can buy, but it is the easiest one to Hackintosh. http://gizmodo.com/5389166/how-to-hackintosh-a-dell-mini-10v-into-the-ultimate-snow-leopard-netbook
I've Hackintoshed 2 of these netbooks and it couldn't be easier. The most difficult (scariest) part is downgrading the bios. If you want a cheap OSX machine, this is it! |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| After you do this, are there any issues with things like updates? I'm not even familiar with how macs work... do they update? |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| After you do this, are there any issues with things like updates? I'm not even familiar with how macs work... do they update? |
The software doesn't automatically update, but it does automatically run a program to discover updates. You then have to give the program the "ok" to download and install the updates. I think the current version of Snow Leopard is 10.6.2. When I installed OSX on the 2 Hackintoshes, you weren't able to update to 10.6.2 without a patch. I am not sure if this has been changed or not by the program I used. I am currently just running 10.6.1 on my Mini 10v without any problems. Occasionally there is a boot hiccup where the system hangs on power-on and you have to do a hard-reset (just hold the power button until the system shuts off). This probably happens less than 15% of the time. Once it happened 3 times in a row, but on the 4th time it started fine and I haven't had it happen since. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't get it.
There was a time when Apple could claim superiority due to their Motorola CPU. But here you are talking about taking a computer running Windows and putting the Mac OS on it. Why would this be better? Why would I want to go out and buy new software?
I have had plenty of opportunities to buy Macs over the years at good prices, but I never could see replacing my software and learning a new OS. I ended up using Macs at a couple of jobs involving graphics work, and they crashed every day. I sure was glad to go home to my PC.
I suppose if you don't already own a computer, getting Mac might be an option to consider, or already owned a Mac. But hey, if it makes you happy, go for it! |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| I've actually done the reverse. I have a Macbook Pro with Windows 7 installed on a partition, so I rarely ever use OSX. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Well, that's a little odd, too.
It's just an operating system, folks. The best operating system is the one you don't see, don't notice and don't have to fiddle with. Failing that, the next best is the one you know how to fiddle with. It's the programs you are supposed to see, not the OS.
I'd be happy to use Linux if I was sure I could get all the programs I need. (Heck, I'd be happy to run DOS -- I don't particularly need cute little icons to run programs. And you know you CAN clear them off your desktop.) But what's the point of using one operating system for some stuff, and another OS for other programs? And then you need to learn a new OS. That's the rub. (Drivers are the biggest rub.)
And not to rub it in too much, I used a Mac in the 1980s, and most of the programs on it were written by Microsoft.
However, when I used Macs at work during the past 10 years it was because there were certain graphics programs that were only available for Macs. There may still be some professional programs of this sort, plus you have grandfathering, where a business will stick with Macs so they can keep using the same software. Staff training is expensive. But the Macs were not stable, including brand new Macs and software that one employer bought.
I've been using PCs since DOS, so I know my way around them. I guess Macs hold their greatest appeal to younger users. But Macs do the same functions as PCs; they just give the functions funny names.
Actually, the funniest part about modern Macs is their two and three finger keyboard codes. They are actually based on CP/M, an 8-bit operating system that precedes Windows and DOS. So if you ever used an old KayPro, you will feel more at home on Macs than if you only used Windows (although Windows has some of the same codes).
The truth is MS-DOS was based on QDOS, which was a 16-bit OS basically copied from 8-bit C/PM, if I understand it correctly. Many of C/PM's line prompt commands were almost identical to MS-DOS's.
And I gather everyone stole from UNIX.
The Apple Mac/Lisa GUI was strongly inspired by the visit of Apple employees to Xerox PARC, which had designed a prototype GUI with mouse in the 1970s.
And then, of course, Microsoft copied Apple's GUI, which was a copy of Xerox's. That's why Apple couldn't sue Microsoft.
Apple copies Windows; Windows copies Apple; Apple copies Windows; Windows copies Apple. And on and on.
Prior to Windows, Apple had a vastly more usable operating system. But my experience with more modern Macs has left me unimpressed.
~~end of rant~~ |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| ^^^ Sorry, I am a lifetime Apple user. What's a "driver"? |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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oskinny1 wrote:
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^^^ Sorry, I am a lifetime Apple user. What's a "driver"? |
They are the reason, presumably, the OP was so excited about the Dell Mini 10V actually being able to run "Hackintosh." |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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| oskinny1 wrote: |
| ^^^ Sorry, I am a lifetime Apple user. What's a "driver"? |
The drivers tells the os how to use the hardware. With a mac you are buying hardware and software, all the drivers are built in. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Apple do make nice hardware, but I just can't get used to their software. For me, Windows 7 makes OSX look a little bit dated. Also, Itunes is a POS. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Apple do make nice hardware, but I just can't get used to their software. For me, Windows 7 makes OSX look a little bit dated. Also, Itunes is a POS. |
I agree with what you are saying. I personally prefer using Windows 7. I got started using OSX because I wanted to try iPhone programming. Unfortunately, you have to run Xcode to program for the iPhone, and you have to run OSX to run Xcode. That's why I'm using OSX.
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I don't get it.
There was a time when Apple could claim superiority due to their Motorola CPU. But here you are talking about taking a computer running Windows and putting the Mac OS on it. Why would this be better? Why would I want to go out and buy new software?
I have had plenty of opportunities to buy Macs over the years at good prices, but I never could see replacing my software and learning a new OS. I ended up using Macs at a couple of jobs involving graphics work, and they crashed every day. I sure was glad to go home to my PC.
I suppose if you don't already own a computer, getting Mac might be an option to consider, or already owned a Mac. But hey, if it makes you happy, go for it! |
Why would anybody else want to run OSX on a regular non-Apple PC or why would someone want to run Windows on an Apple computer? Perhaps they have specific software requirements (like me) that are only available on one platform or the other. If you don't personally want to run OSX on non-Apple hardware, that's fine. Like you said, to each his own.
For those who are just curious about OSX, I think a Dell Mini 10v is a good way to test the OS out. This computer runs OSX reasonably quickly even with the anemic Atom 270 processor and 1 GB of RAM. If you don't like OSX, the computer makes a nice cheap Windows netbook, too. I am not personally gaining anything if people go to Costco and buy some of these netbooks. I just thought that this is something somebody might have been interested in. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Blackjack wrote:
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| The drivers tells the os how to use the hardware. With a mac you are buying hardware and software, all the drivers are built in. |
The drivers for the Apple Mac computer are built in. Just as the drivers would be for the hardware when you buy a PC. Drivers to run the Mac OS on a PC notebook or netbook are, presumably, not built in. Which is why this Dell would be noteworthy, being consistent with Mac drivers.
There was a time not so long ago when Apple did not write drivers for non-Apple hardware, such as printers, only stuff they sold. Made things a lot easier, and more profitable.
I doubt all drivers are built into the Mac OS. That would be a mighty big OS. Are drivers for every printer and scanner made built in? I doubt it. (I have never seen a printer or scanner driver that was built into Windows.) For every piece of computer hardware that runs on a PC? I would be surprised.
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| I got started using OSX because I wanted to try iPhone programming. Unfortunately, you have to run Xcode to program for the iPhone, and you have to run OSX to run Xcode. That's why I'm using OSX. |
That sounds reasonable.
I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons to use a Mac. And if I owned a Mac, I might be interested in running the Mac OS on a netbook, especially if it were cheaper than what Apple charges. I might also be inclined to stay with it through several generations, just as I do as a PC owner with PCs.
I just get annoyed by the wildly unrealistic claims that are sometimes made about Macs by sanctimonious Apple owners. I had to sit next to one of those blowhards for four years. He was looneytunes. It was like having to listen to Koreans rant several times a day about the virtues of kimchi. |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:58 am Post subject: |
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What's wrong with this picture?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/50266763@N00/4325223792/
From an ad on this site for a used MacBook.
OK, it's dual boot, but...
I'd love to use Linux, but I'd still have to be able to run Windows. So what's the point?
Nevermind. Just bored and ranting. Don't mind me. |
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JungMin
Joined: 18 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| ...and they crashed every day. I sure was glad to go home to my PC. |
I haven't used Windows 7, but all other iteration of windows if complete shit. I built a computer to run OSX and it has been running 24/7 since I got back from vacation in August and it has never crashed. I think that OSX is easier to use, that's best part. For example, you plug in your camera and it imports the photos. If you want to email a photo or upload them to Picasa (or Flickr or somewhere) all you have to do is click one button. No f'ing around to resize them, find the file and then attach to your email. Just click one button and it automatically resizes the photo, opens mail and attaches it (or automatically uploads it).
Without a single word about Apple computers to my 65+ year old parents, they bought a iMac and for the first time ever they can actually use their computer properly. Since they got it, I have yet to sit on the phone and explain to my mother how to do something.
iTunes is a crap, but the argument that it crashes more or that its harder to use than windows is also BS. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| JungMin wrote: |
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| ...and they crashed every day. I sure was glad to go home to my PC. |
I haven't used Windows 7, but all other iteration of windows if complete shit. I built a computer to run OSX and it has been running 24/7 since I got back from vacation in August and it has never crashed. I think that OSX is easier to use, that's best part. For example, you plug in your camera and it imports the photos. If you want to email a photo or upload them to Picasa (or Flickr or somewhere) all you have to do is click one button. No f'ing around to resize them, find the file and then attach to your email. Just click one button and it automatically resizes the photo, opens mail and attaches it (or automatically uploads it).
Without a single word about Apple computers to my 65+ year old parents, they bought a iMac and for the first time ever they can actually use their computer properly. Since they got it, I have yet to sit on the phone and explain to my mother how to do something.
iTunes is a crap, but the argument that it crashes more or that its harder to use than windows is also BS. |
I have used windows 95, ME, xp, vista and now I am on windows 7. In total I have had 3 sets of blue screens. Two were from games (with illegal patches) and one from a faulty video card.
If you want to upload a photo with picasa, you hit the upload to web albums, you want to email a photo drag and drop. There is nothing wrong with the windows os it has some big advantages as well as some disadvantages.
The whole mac pc argument is rubbish. You like the mac os get a mac, if you like the windows os get a windows machine. if you like the mac laptops but don't like mac os get a mac and run windows 7. You like the mac os but want to spend less money get a hackintos.
Macs have advantages, windows have advantages there is no better system |
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