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bassexpander
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 Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Debacle |
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Looks like some things could get messy up there. I predict a violent crackdown of some form or another pretty darned soon.
So the slang word, "Ttorai" came from South Korean soaps? Interesting. So they really are watching SK TV shows up there somewhat regularly.
How do you spell that in Korean?
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/02/04/2010020400738.html
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Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Debacle
The fallout from North Korea's disastrous currency reform is mounting, with public discontent at skyrocketing prices reportedly growing into serious unrest in places. Radio Free Asia reported Wednesday that an anti-regime mood is growing among people who are prevented from earning a living by a crackdown on the use of foreign currency and closure of open-air markets.
Quoting sources in North Korea, the exile radio station said North Koreans now call leader Kim Jong-il simply by his name without using any honorific, which is unprecedented in the North.
One Korean Chinese told the Chosun Ilbo on telephone, "I was astonished to hear a North Korean official call Kim Jong-il a 'ttorai' (an idiot)." Before the currency reform, that same official would get angry when others disparaged Kim, he added. "Ttorai" is not common in North Korea but is now frequently used when denouncing Kim Jong-il, having become popular through South Korean TV series watched clandestinely in the North, the source said.... |
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Kimchi Cha Cha
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'm guessing it would be 똘아이 which I always thought was spelt 돌아이 literally meaning 'rock child' and used to mean 'blockhead', 'idiot', 'fool', or to add an Australianism 'boofhead'. |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| They hit THAT nail on the head, didn't they? |
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andrewchon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think 또라이 is Japanese, a leftover from the occupation times.
A 'rock child' is 똘아 used mostly as an adjective, rarely as a noun.
rockhead is 돌대가리 |
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nautilus
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Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Deba |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Looks like some things could get messy up there. I predict a violent crackdown of some form or another pretty darned soon. |
violent crackdown, definitely.
peoples uprising or coup? never. |
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vaticanhotline
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| You never know. Obviously, I'm no expert, but if people remember want to avoid what happened in the 90's they might well rebel. |
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jdog2050
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| You never know. Obviously, I'm no expert, but if people remember want to avoid what happened in the 90's they might well rebel. |
Honestly, if there were a time to cut off aid to North Korea, this would be it. Do not keep giving them food. |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Location: Songtan, S. Korea
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
I think 또라이 is Japanese, a leftover from the occupation times.
A 'rock child' is 똘아 used mostly as an adjective, rarely as a noun.
rockhead is 돌대가리 |
I thought rock head was pronounced more like ddul mah-ri (my phonetic spelling, as I know it) |
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andrewchon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, 돌머리 (dol-meu-ri) works, too.
머리 and 대가리 both mean the same thing: head.
머리 also means hair (on your head).
Usage depends on your intent. If you want sound:
scholarly 석두 (seuk-du)
middle class 돌머리
common 돌대가리 (dol-dae-ga-ri) |
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Passions
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Deba |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Looks like some things could get messy up there. I predict a violent crackdown of some form or another pretty darned soon.
So the slang word, "Ttorai" came from South Korean soaps? Interesting. So they really are watching SK TV shows up there somewhat regularly.
How do you spell that in Korean?
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/02/04/2010020400738.html
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Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Debacle
The fallout from North Korea's disastrous currency reform is mounting, with public discontent at skyrocketing prices reportedly growing into serious unrest in places. Radio Free Asia reported Wednesday that an anti-regime mood is growing among people who are prevented from earning a living by a crackdown on the use of foreign currency and closure of open-air markets.
Quoting sources in North Korea, the exile radio station said North Koreans now call leader Kim Jong-il simply by his name without using any honorific, which is unprecedented in the North.
One Korean Chinese told the Chosun Ilbo on telephone, "I was astonished to hear a North Korean official call Kim Jong-il a 'ttorai' (an idiot)." Before the currency reform, that same official would get angry when others disparaged Kim, he added. "Ttorai" is not common in North Korea but is now frequently used when denouncing Kim Jong-il, having become popular through South Korean TV series watched clandestinely in the North, the source said.... |
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Wow....reading comprehension FAIL.
The article does not state that "Ttorai" came from South Korean soaps, it states that the word became popular in NK through the viewing of SK soaps.  |
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Konglishman
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| vaticanhotline wrote: |
| You never know. Obviously, I'm no expert, but if people remember want to avoid what happened in the 90's they might well rebel. |
Well, I wish all the luck to the North Korean people in overcoming the military dictatorship. However, if this were to turn into real protests, I would be a little worried that something, comparable to the end result of 2007 Burmese monk protests, will happen. |
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FistFace
Joined: 24 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Deba |
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| Passions wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Looks like some things could get messy up there. I predict a violent crackdown of some form or another pretty darned soon.
So the slang word, "Ttorai" came from South Korean soaps? Interesting. So they really are watching SK TV shows up there somewhat regularly.
How do you spell that in Korean?
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/02/04/2010020400738.html
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Discontent in N.Korea Turns to Anger After Currency Debacle
The fallout from North Korea's disastrous currency reform is mounting, with public discontent at skyrocketing prices reportedly growing into serious unrest in places. Radio Free Asia reported Wednesday that an anti-regime mood is growing among people who are prevented from earning a living by a crackdown on the use of foreign currency and closure of open-air markets.
Quoting sources in North Korea, the exile radio station said North Koreans now call leader Kim Jong-il simply by his name without using any honorific, which is unprecedented in the North.
One Korean Chinese told the Chosun Ilbo on telephone, "I was astonished to hear a North Korean official call Kim Jong-il a 'ttorai' (an idiot)." Before the currency reform, that same official would get angry when others disparaged Kim, he added. "Ttorai" is not common in North Korea but is now frequently used when denouncing Kim Jong-il, having become popular through South Korean TV series watched clandestinely in the North, the source said.... |
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Wow....reading comprehension FAIL.
The article does not state that "Ttorai" came from South Korean soaps, it states that the word became popular in NK through the viewing of SK soaps. |
Bassman wasn't exactly wrong. The soaps, apparently, are what made the word popular.
Pretty nitpicky thing to be trolling about, don't you think? Didn't your mother hold you enough when you were a baby? |
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tall_dave
Joined: 02 Nov 2009
Location: Songtan, S. Korea
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
| Well, I wish all the luck to the North Korean people in overcoming the military dictatorship. However, if this were to turn into real protests, I would be a little worried that something, comparable to the end result of 2007 Burmese monk protests, will happen. |
Sad to say that all of your wishes are in vain as there isn't a single North Korean that will ever be reading your post. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| tall_dave wrote: |
| Konglishman wrote: |
| Well, I wish all the luck to the North Korean people in overcoming the military dictatorship. However, if this were to turn into real protests, I would be a little worried that something, comparable to the end result of 2007 Burmese monk protests, will happen. |
Sad to say that all of your wishes are in vain as there isn't a single North Korean that will ever be reading your post. |
Not even North Korean escapees? No, whatever will happen in North Korea, will happen regardless of what is written on silly online forums. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought 돌아이 came from the verb 돌다 meaning "to go crazy".
eg. 너 돌았어? "Have you gone mad?" |
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