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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| The Gipkik wrote: |
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| This little titbit makes me chuckle in a perverse way. Quite a few years ago the punishment for rape and for murder in the UK were identical, life imprisonment, however they had to change the statutes to where rape was punished in a less severe way. The reason for this was that rapists were more likely to murder their victims because that way it was more difficult to be apprehended and either way if they got caught they were serving the same amount of prison time. What a wicked world that we live in. |
In Thailand, I once saw a dump truck hit a woman on a motorcycle. She fell off the bike and I watched in horror as he revved the engine and proceeded to run her over, popping her head like a walnut. I asked my students why he would do this and they said that if she were alive, he'd have to pay hefty bills for all kinds of legal and medical issues. If she's dead, he can save a lot of money by just making a one time payment to the family--if he is caught.
They also told me that this was common practice and usually resulted in many hit and runs. |
I cannot imagine anything worse than seeing someone die. Anyways, I hope that you made sure the police were contacted... |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Totally level Thailand, I say. |
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Konglishman
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Totally level Thailand, I say. |
No, just get rid of Pattaya, Kaosan Road, and Panong Beach. The rest of Thailand is not too bad. |
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Tycho Brahe
Joined: 15 Jul 2009
Location: Suwon, SK
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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OP, if you want a real answer you can't look for generalizations.
the pyschologism of criminology is farcical. a person's mental illness is not a causal factor in action, and even to think of mental illnesses, or pyschological traumas as something which can categorize people (as is the implied basis of criminology) is illogical and unethical.
pick a case and study that until you feel you have an answer but you're dealing with humans who have an infinitely complex mental processes - thinking that you can understand a persons reasoning is always dangerous. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Konglishman wrote: |
I cannot imagine anything worse than seeing someone die. Anyways, I hope that you made sure the police were contacted... |
I wasn't the only one who saw the accident. The police eventually came, the dump truck driver was taken away, but I never heard about the incident again in any of the Thai newspapers. |
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oskinny1
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
Location: Right behind you!
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Almost always there's a "reason"
This is much debated in the ethics and criminology wings of academia, but essentially you are going to find that the most pragmatic of the groups to believe that real (aka. malignant) "evil" doesn't exist. |
It is all how you define evil. You seem to be arguing that any other explanation such as childhood trauma or chemical imbalance exclude evil as a possibility. This only works if we assume evil must be the motivation for our actions. If we understand evil as the result then that argument falls apart. In other words, to be evil is to do evil whatever the reason.
Beyond that, I used to work with about 30 people that seemed perfectly average, ordinary, good people. I watched as they became vicious. We worked with this guy Chris who wasn't a bad guy but he was socially inept.
The social restraint of politeness was removed when they realized nobody liked him. It quickly went from cold shoulder to open rudeness to physical assault as people would intentionally slam their shoulders into as they passed in the hall. Then they would brag. It was cool to be mean to him, so everyone wanted credit. Everyone wanted in.
That's all it takes for the average person to be cruel. Restraints just have to be removed. I reject the idea that there is some small percentage of people who are broken in some way who are the problem. I see it the other way. Almost nobody has an actual moral core. Most people blow with the wind. The people I knew and liked before Chris came to work there changed into people that scared me.
Evil is emergent. I believe this deeply because of what I have seen. It would be more fruitful to work from a model that creates circumstances which prevent the emergence of evil. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Men that kill women for no reason |
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Sadly, we regularly hear of cases where men rape and murder women for no good reason. |
What would be a good reason? |
I was also going to ask this same question to the OP, but I have one answer: autassassinophilia, or sexual arousal attained by stage-managing one's own death.
Another explanation, although not necessarily a "good reason," is biastophilia, or raptophilia,
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| in which sexuoerotic arousal and facilitation of orgasm are dependent on the surprise attack and continued violent assault on a non-consenting, terrified, and struggling stranger. |
Of course, the latter does not necessarily involve murder. yet, many rape-and-murder cases may be a combination of this and Wesley Alan Dodd's motivation.
Before his execution, Dodd said on the Montel Williams Show that he killed the three boys he had sexually assaulted because he knew if they told, he'd go to prison for a long time. Ironically, had the penalty not been so great, those boys, as well as Dodd, might be alive today. |
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Rob'sdad
Joined: 12 May 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| I was shocked at what came out of my dear dad's piehole when OJ murdered his ex-wife and Ron Goldblum. He just said, "sometimes women piss you off." And this is from the most sedate cat in the world. A plane could crash into his flat and he'd hardly utter a complete sentence. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Did you hear about a married couple in Wales, they were both prostitutes and the man killed his wife because she was upset he was seeing other people behind her back. I suppose her job meant she was free from guilt in this dept.
A woman in Britain also recently killed her 2 young kids and told the police about it. Apparently, she didn't want her ex-husband to take custody of the children.
Is it just me or is Britain slowly going totally mental? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:25 am Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
Almost always there's a "reason"
This is much debated in the ethics and criminology wings of academia, but essentially you are going to find that the most pragmatic of the groups to believe that real (aka. malignant) "evil" doesn't exist. |
It is all how you define evil. You seem to be arguing that any other explanation such as childhood trauma or chemical imbalance exclude evil as a possibility. This only works if we assume evil must be the motivation for our actions. If we understand evil as the result then that argument falls apart. In other words, to be evil is to do evil whatever the reason.
Beyond that, I used to work with about 30 people that seemed perfectly average, ordinary, good people. I watched as they became vicious. We worked with this guy Chris who wasn't a bad guy but he was socially inept.
The social restraint of politeness was removed when they realized nobody liked him. It quickly went from cold shoulder to open rudeness to physical assault as people would intentionally slam their shoulders into as they passed in the hall. Then they would brag. It was cool to be mean to him, so everyone wanted credit. Everyone wanted in.
That's all it takes for the average person to be cruel. Restraints just have to be removed. I reject the idea that there is some small percentage of people who are broken in some way who are the problem. I see it the other way. Almost nobody has an actual moral core. Most people blow with the wind. The people I knew and liked before Chris came to work there changed into people that scared me.
Evil is emergent. I believe this deeply because of what I have seen. It would be more fruitful to work from a model that creates circumstances which prevent the emergence of evil. |
so what happened to Chris? |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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fromtheuk, the primary thing that comes through from your original post is the question:
Of all the subjects in the world, why is your mind preoccupied with this topic?
Maybe you need psychological counseling from a the rapist. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Er...there is only one thread by me on the issue, I don't think that qualifies as being preoccupied by it. Your comment sounds a bit creepy. |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Er...there is only one thread by me on the issue, I don't think that qualifies as being preoccupied by it. Your comment sounds a bit creepy. |
Firstly, if the use of preoccupied is disturbing to you, you could substitute it with a word, phrase or euphemism of your choice.
The fact remains that your mind has engaged and focused on the topic (which is a definition of preoccupied).
The fact that it is one thread is fine for the use of preoccupied.
If it was multiple threads, the proper word could be obsessed.
A definition of obsessed is to be preoccupied intensely.
Definitions aside, of all the countless topics on the universal menu of topics to choose from, you chose it.
Of all the thousands of members of the forum, you are the one to initiate the topic on the forum at this time.
In any event, that is not my motivation to enter this thread.
I posted on this thread in order to avail of the opportunity to use the therapist joke. I saw it on The Benny Hill Show.
A sign board outside a doctor's office gets damaged somehow so that it is transformed from Dr. Jones, Therapist,
to Dr. Jones, The rapist.
Likewise, one touch of the spacebar on the keyboard transforms therapist to the rapist.
But you didn't get it, apparently because you are preoccupied with the topic of the thread. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Pardon me if I didn't automatically know you were referring to a Benny Hill Show sketch.
Has it occurred to you I may not have seen that episode of the Benny Hill show, and therefore wouldn't even know about that sketch and your joke?
What makes you think everybody knows about the particular episode of the Benny Hill Show you're referring to?
Again, preoccupied, obsessed, disinterested, it's all semantics. I think it's perfectly valid to raise an issue which negatively affects society like senseless murder.
I suppose if we don't discuss it that will make it go away, or perhaps if we don't mention it, we will appear to be 'normal' and not 'preoccupied' with such 'trivial' things like senseless killing.
I'm happy to be preoccupied with this thread, otherwise it would be quite pointless to post it in the first place.
Read your last post, you think someone doesn't get a joke, but you can't even see everybody hasn't seen the Benny Hill sketch you've referred to. That's a bit strange.
May I ask why you are preoccupied with trying to dissuade me from discussing this topic? What is it about senseless murder you don't like to hear? Abnormal psychology preoccupies itself on this topic quite a bit, perhaps you'd like to discourage that too?
I'm focusing on murder because it is a disgusting crime which sickens me, and I'd like to see what other people think about it, to see how this problem can be resolved, if at all. Is that painful for you to hear?
And then you continue by being condescending and patronising. I suggest you're a bit creepy.  |
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