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BigStan



Joined: 04 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Is Seoul over rated? Reply with quote

This is my second time in Korea. First time was in Busan, now i'm in Seoul.

I really liked Busan. But I heard a lot of hype about how Seoul is the best place to live in Korea, and I wanted to try something new, so here I am in Seoul.

So far, I do not see what the hype is all about. To me Seoul is basically the same as Busan or Daegu in most ways. It's just a sea of PC rooms, DVD rooms, bars, restaurants, massage parlors, markets, etc. It seems like it's the same stuff, just more of it.

So what am I missing out on here? What is it that makes Seoul better exactly? Sure Seoul has a lot more foreigners and more opportunities to meet foreign people, and because of this, the Koreans are a little more used to seeing foreigners but that's about the only advantage i've found thus far.

The nightlife in Seoul is great. But i'm just not really into going out and drinking anymore, it's fun sometimes but it's not something I really love to do. And it seems that since I am not into being a late night barfly anymore, that cuts off about half of what this city has to offer.

And besides, Korea's other big cities have good enough nightlife for me. Kyungsung and Seohyun in Busan were plenty enough for me. I don't need 500 different drinking neighborhoods, just a few good ones is enough.

Here are some major disadvantages of Seoul i've found:
The awful pollution....
No beach access, no access to good nature retreats. Just pure concrete jungle.
The weather is much colder and worse then Busan. This winter has just plain sucked.
The Koreans in Seoul are much, much more yuppie and snobby. The materialism and selfish vibes out here are intense. Almost everyone here is mindlessly running in the rat race. People in other Korean cities tend to be a little more down to Earth I think. In Seoul it's like they don't know how to stop and smell the roses. It's pure workaholic madness.
The western community in Seoul is different too. In Seoul, most westerners seem very yuppie. It's like they are emulating the conservative and materialistic aspects of Korean culture in an attempt to fit in. They can be seen wearing their professional attire, the perfectly folded scarf around the neck, the meticulously styled haircut, the sleek looking man-bag. And when I talk to them they seem to have the materialistic attitude to match their appearance, all about status and one-upping. This is just my opinion, but I prefered the less materialistic, more casual scene of other places. In Busan it was downright gritty at times and I prefer that to this yuppie scene.
Most of all Seoul does not seem to offer anything unique. It just has MORE of the same things. More foreigners, more bars, more markets....yet nothing that stands out among other cities.

So what am I missing out on here? I would love to find something in Seoul that makes me say "Wow, this is awesome!" But so far it's just been like a bigger, more materialistic, more polluted version of Busan, WITH NO BEACH!

I like it in Seoul and i'm happy here, but so far, Busan blows this place out of the water in my opinion. I seriously don't understand why people love this place.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Seoul over rated? Reply with quote

waaaaaaaaaay overrated.

great to visit on an occasional weekend night out, some shopping, special events, but really express buses can take one to seoul any weekend you want from most of the country so really there is no reason to live in seoul mtwtfss

BigStan wrote:
The awful pollution....
No beach access, no access to good nature retreats. Just pure concrete jungle.
The weather is much colder and worse then Busan. This winter has just plain sucked.
The Koreans in Seoul are much, much more yuppie and snobby. The materialism and selfish vibes out here are intense. Almost everyone here is mindlessly running in the rat race. People in other Korean cities tend to be a little more down to Earth I think. In Seoul it's like they don't know how to stop and smell the roses. It's pure workaholic madness.
The western community in Seoul is different too. In Seoul, most westerners seem very yuppie. It's like they are emulating the conservative and materialistic aspects of Korean culture in an attempt to fit in. They can be seen wearing their professional attire, the perfectly folded scarf around the neck, the meticulously styled haircut, the sleek looking man-bag. And when I talk to them they seem to have the materialistic attitude to match their appearance, all about status and one-upping. This is just my opinion, but I prefered the less materialistic, more casual scene of other places. In Busan it was downright gritty at times and I prefer that to this yuppie scene.
Most of all Seoul does not seem to offer anything unique. It just has MORE of the same things. More foreigners, more bars, more markets....yet nothing that stands out among other cities.

Indeed.
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ChilgokBlackHole



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Terrible place. Always under construction. Smells like a sewer. I used to visit there from time to time and I don't even do that anymore.
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jmuns



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes
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T-J



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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BigStan



Joined: 04 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
No.


Why do you say that? What do you like about this place?

I'm looking for some tips about what I can do to enjoy it more here. In a huge city like this there ust be some cool stuff happening.
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hugekebab



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of expats like it because if you want something very specific, that's Western, then you can usually find it in Seoul, but not in Busan. Also, it's probably easier to hook up with a Korean girl here as Seoul is noticeably more liberal/modern. It's socially about 1969 in Seoul as opposed to 1960 everywhere else. (sometimes this is alluded to in the 'farmers in suits' comments you hear of the other provincial cities.)

Personally if I could live in either place, it'd be Busan. The beach outweighs it all, and Haeundae and Gwangalli are great areas.
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BigStan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hugekebab wrote:
A lot of expats like it because if you want something very specific, that's Western, then you can usually find it in Seoul, but not in Busan. Also, it's probably easier to hook up with a Korean girl here as Seoul is noticeably more liberal/modern. It's socially about 1969 in Seoul as opposed to 1960 everywhere else. (sometimes this is alluded to in the 'farmers in suits' comments you hear of the other provincial cities.)

Personally if I could live in either place, it'd be Busan. The beach outweighs it all, and Haeundae and Gwangalli are great areas.


Yeah I guess I can understand that.

But personally I found the women in Busan better. Seoul women are generally extremely materialistic, barbi doll types. In Busan they were what Seoul people would call "country girls" and I was fine with that. They were more cool to hang out with usually and dating them didn't cost half my paycheck as it seems to around Seoul quite often.

As for western products. I found everything I needed in Busan and Daegu. Clothes, food, all amenites.
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Yaya



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul is like money. One often hates what one must do to make money, but money is a necessity nonetheless.

I've been to a few coastal cities and life there seems really great, but of course, there are few jobs there. I recently visited two coastal cities and saw very few people there between the ages of 18 and 34.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on!! Anyone with half a brain knows seoul is overrated! It's a nice city...if you like big, populated, congested, smoggy, smelly, crowded places! Lots to do in seoul of course....but it's not Paris, Rome, Montreal, etc...
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eamo



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who ever rated Seoul highly among the big cities of the world?

Yaya is right. Seoul is about jobs and money. Not much else going for it. It's a functional place with a few scattered highlights here and there.
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BigStan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Who ever rated Seoul highly among the big cities of the world?

Yaya is right. Seoul is about jobs and money. Not much else going for it. It's a functional place with a few scattered highlights here and there.


This is the truth.

But a lot of people talk about it like it's an amazing city. And mostly, lots of people talk about it like it's the best place in Korea, which is definitely is not. There is a lot of hype out there about Seoul.

I'll take Gwangju, Daegu or Busan over Seoul for sure.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul is the best.

If I want computer parts I can head to Yongsan or any of the other large electronic places for unbeatable selection. If I want a thick Italian style hot chocolate I can go to one of the chocolate shops. If I want French food I can go to one of the French restaurants. If I want to buy a new sink and install it I have all the selection and parts that I need. If I want to go the embassy of any country I can. If I want a Brazilian meat buffet it's no problem. If I want to see museums they're a dime a dozen. If I want to see "Avatar" in 4D it's here. If I want books there are a ton of bookstores. If I want to buy limes it's I know where to go. If I want to go to a buffet with trained chefs who actually know how to make lamb chops and ceviche it's just down the road. If I want to study Korean there are many places offering classes at all different times of day. If I want to specialty tea shops they're nearby.

Almost everything's here and it's easy to get to.
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BigStan



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Seoul is the best.

If I want computer parts I can head to Yongsan or any of the other large electronic places for unbeatable selection. If I want a thick Italian style hot chocolate I can go to one of the chocolate shops. If I want French food I can go to one of the French restaurants. If I want to buy a new sink and install it I have all the selection and parts that I need. If I want to go the embassy of any country I can. If I want a Brazilian meat buffet it's no problem. If I want to see museums they're a dime a dozen. If I want to see "Avatar" in 4D it's here. If I want books there are a ton of bookstores. If I want to buy limes it's I know where to go. If I want to go to a buffet with trained chefs who actually know how to make lamb chops and ceviche it's just down the road. If I want to study Korean there are many places offering classes at all different times of day. If I want to specialty tea shops they're nearby.

Almost everything's here and it's easy to get to.


I heard this before, and it is what brought me to this city. But so far the negatives are far outweighing the positives.

I'm not really into eating out a lot and being a foodie, I usually just cook at home, or get whatever is cheap and close.

I'm not into blowing money on movies and stuff like that.

The bookstores are nice. But I already have about 30 books, no need to go there really. Besides, ifI just go once ever few months and buy a few books that is good enough.

I guess i'm more into relaxing and entertaining myself instead of "going out" all the time. I like to save money and not blow it all. And that's why i'm not into it.
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the_beaver



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigStan wrote:
I heard this before, and it is what brought me to this city. But so far the negatives are far outweighing the positives.

I'm not really into eating out a lot and being a foodie, I usually just cook at home, or get whatever is cheap and close.

I'm not into blowing money on movies and stuff like that.

The bookstores are nice. But I already have about 30 books, no need to go there really. Besides, ifI just go once ever few months and buy a few books that is good enough.

I guess i'm more into relaxing and entertaining myself instead of "going out" all the time. I like to save money and not blow it all. And that's why i'm not into it.


Yeah, if you don't have much in the way of interests (that sounds bad but it isn't meant to) then Seoul would be just a whole lot of unnecessary, but if you do have a wide range of interests then there's really nowhere else in Korea that even comes close.
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