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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Trevor wrote: |
War with Iran on Palin's campagin ticket in 2012 = big AIPAC $$$
Obama has been talking about setting conditions on Israel's annual gift of 3 billion (plus numerous perks) in relation to illegal settlements...
You figure it out. What's gonna happen in 2012? |
http://www.nysun.com/national/palin-only-flag-in-my-office-is-israeli/86671/ |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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When do we fight Iran? Is it on the schedule after we fight Russia or before? Or will it be another tag team match like us and the UK in our current bout against the Terror Twins?  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Perpetual war on terror and serial wars against the various Moslem states...Who knew that Big Brother would turn out to be Big Sister? |
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Forward Observer

Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: FOB Gloria
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Today's headlines: "How's all that hopey, changey stuff?" - gotta wonder about that woman. |
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SeoulFinn

Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Location: 1h from Seoul
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I'll never forgive the US if Americans send Mrs. Palin into the White House. Hey, Bush was bad enough, and you did it twice(!), but Mrs. Palin is something else. She's an international laughingstock and no one takes her seriously outside of the US. Well, Signor Berlusconi might, but no one cares what he does anyway.
Give the job to Steven Seagal rather than Mrs. Palin. Yay! Seagal for president! Yay! |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, Palin's comments would tend to support those who say that the USA can no longer be trusted in the realm of international affairs. Whether one wants to admit it or not, it is a terrible blot on the principle of democracy that the democratically-elected President of the US, and the democratically-elected Prime Ministers of Britain and Australia, chose to invade a nation crippled by 10 years of economic sanctions, simply because they could.
Let's face it. Iraq was invaded by the US, Britain, and other democracies simply because they could do it with no threat of military reprisals. Regardless of any other made-up reason why it was justified...the democratically-elected leader of the US decided he wanted to invade and conquer a sovereign country simply because he could do it. Every other reason offered was just window dressing.
And the democratically-elected Congress of said nation went along with it. Along with a half a dozen other democracies, who went along with it simply to curry favor with the President of the United States.
So...if people say that the US can never be trusted anymore because it is no more than an election away from invading any country it wants to, who is to say those people are wrong?
If Palin is elected, and she does go to war with Iran...won't this demonstrate that the US can no longer be trusted to uphold the freedom of other nations, any more than 1930s Germany could be trusted?
If the average American voter couldn't stop Bush from invading Iraq, who is to say that they will be able to stop the next President from invading Iran? Or Indonesia? Or Cuba? Or China? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Palin Comes Out for War with Iran (?) |
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| This woman has become an idol for the most retarded aspects of American conservative thought. She doesn't actually do anything or produce any insightful notions; she doesn't even have a clear and coherent opinion on policy. She's simply something that the more mentally vacant of America's conservatives project their own ideas onto. Her ineptitude, lack of intellect, lack of knowledge, and unethical behavior are all totally irrelevent, because everything about Sarah Palin is irrelevent to the people who have turned her into the object upon which their political religion is centered. |
The more you describe here, the more similar she is to W and he, by hook or by crook, got TWO terms. In another similarity, she oftenrambles incoherently.
Couple that with the fact that Obama is disillusioning those he managed to fool during this past election, and this is getting very scary. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
So...if people say that the US can never be trusted anymore because it is no more than an election away from invading any country it wants to, who is to say those people are wrong? |
What can we call this doctrine? Pre-emptive condemnation. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| By that logic, so was Munich. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Sarah Palin gives all the signs of someone who is NOT planning a serious bid for the White House, but is making a serious bid for wealth. In other words, she's cashing in on her popularity.
1) She resigned her position as Governor early. This would not play well in any extended campaign for another office, but it got her into the money circuit while top dollar was available. She can earn a lot more legal income that would have been prohibited during the time it would have taken to finish her term.
2) She took $100,000 for her speech to the Tea Party convention. This has already drawn fire from potential supporters for some future campaign, a negative for hopes of victory, but it sure helps the bank account and can lead to bigger speaking fees down the road, and sell books along the way.
3) Keeping the doors open to a 2012 run keeps her interesting for the next 2 years, and keeps the money rolling in. It's worth millions of dollars in additional income if she's a potential candidate. So, of course it would be "absurd," as she put it, not to consider a Presidential run. Keeping the door open keeps the money spigots on.
4) She could even mount a campaign in 2012, knowing that victory is unlikely, as that could also keep the money flowing in, even if it is somewhat restricted in how it can be spent, as campaign contributions, it's still money that can be used for a variety of legal purposes that grease the wheels of a comfortable political life.
5) The best way to continue making money after 2012 might be to run for the nomination and lose: she can remain interesting, relevant, popular and marketable.
6) If she follows this plan and happens to get the GOP nomination, all the better - more fame more money.
7) If she follows this plan and happens to win the Presidency - well that's just gravy.
It's a no-lose financial plan for Sarah Palin. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Sarah Palin gives all the signs of someone who is NOT planning a serious bid for the White House, but is making a serious bid for wealth. In other words, she's cashing in on her popularity.
1) She resigned her position as Governor early. This would not play well in any extended campaign for another office, but it got her into the money circuit while top dollar was available. She can earn a lot more legal income that would have been prohibited during the time it would have taken to finish her term.
2) She took $100,000 for her speech to the Tea Party convention. This has already drawn fire from potential supporters for some future campaign, a negative for hopes of victory, but it sure helps the bank account and can lead to bigger speaking fees down the road, and sell books along the way.
3) Keeping the doors open to a 2012 run keeps her interesting for the next 2 years, and keeps the money rolling in. It's worth millions of dollars in additional income if she's a potential candidate. So, of course it would be "absurd," as she put it, not to consider a Presidential run. Keeping the door open keeps the money spigots on.
4) She could even mount a campaign in 2012, knowing that victory is unlikely, as that could also keep the money flowing in, even if it is somewhat restricted in how it can be spent, as campaign contributions, it's still money that can be used for a variety of legal purposes that grease the wheels of a comfortable political life.
5) The best way to continue making money after 2012 might be to run for the nomination and lose: she can remain interesting, relevant, popular and marketable.
6) If she follows this plan and happens to get the GOP nomination, all the better - more fame more money.
7) If she follows this plan and happens to win the Presidency - well that's just gravy.
It's a no-lose financial plan for Sarah Palin. |
Agreed. There was an op-ed in the NY Times that pretty much said as much. Oh yeah, it was a comparison between Palin and Edwards, and basically said they were the same: populists who just are in it for the $. |
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banjois

Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Sarah Palin gives all the signs of someone who is NOT planning a serious bid for the White House, but is making a serious bid for wealth. In other words, she's cashing in on her popularity.
1) She resigned her position as Governor early. This would not play well in any extended campaign for another office, but it got her into the money circuit while top dollar was available. She can earn a lot more legal income that would have been prohibited during the time it would have taken to finish her term.
2) She took $100,000 for her speech to the Tea Party convention. This has already drawn fire from potential supporters for some future campaign, a negative for hopes of victory, but it sure helps the bank account and can lead to bigger speaking fees down the road, and sell books along the way.
3) Keeping the doors open to a 2012 run keeps her interesting for the next 2 years, and keeps the money rolling in. It's worth millions of dollars in additional income if she's a potential candidate. So, of course it would be "absurd," as she put it, not to consider a Presidential run. Keeping the door open keeps the money spigots on.
4) She could even mount a campaign in 2012, knowing that victory is unlikely, as that could also keep the money flowing in, even if it is somewhat restricted in how it can be spent, as campaign contributions, it's still money that can be used for a variety of legal purposes that grease the wheels of a comfortable political life.
5) The best way to continue making money after 2012 might be to run for the nomination and lose: she can remain interesting, relevant, popular and marketable.
6) If she follows this plan and happens to get the GOP nomination, all the better - more fame more money.
7) If she follows this plan and happens to win the Presidency - well that's just gravy.
It's a no-lose financial plan for Sarah Palin. |
Agreed. There was an op-ed in the NY Times that pretty much said as much. Oh yeah, it was a comparison between Palin and Edwards, and basically said they were the same: populists who just are in it for the $. |
I don't see a run for wealth as mutually exclusive to a run for the White House. Kinda multitasking, if you will.
Here's what gets me: In an answer to a question she knew she was going to be asked--so she was prepped for it--she spoke like Monet paints. "I think, kind of tougher to, um, put our arms around, but allowing America's spirit to rise again by not being afraid to kind of go back to some of our roots as a God fearing nation where we're not afraid to say, especially in times of potential trouble in the future here, where we're not afraid to say, you know, we don't have all the answers as fallible men and women so it would be wise of us to start seeking some divine intervention again in this country, so that we can be safe and secure and prosperous again. To have people involved in government who aren't afraid to go that route, not so afraid of the political correctness that you know -- they have to be afraid of what the media said about them if they were to proclaim their alliance on our creator."
Congress seeking divine intervention? What the heck does it mean? And it's one of her 3 Congressional priorities. Arg! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I wasn't trying to imply that they were mutually exclusive, and I don't believe OTW was either. I was just saying her primary motivation is cash, and if power and authority come along with it, so much the better! |
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