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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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From her resignation last July until the big speech in Nashville, I thought her primary motivation was money. I no longer think so. I think power is what she has on her mind and the money is just frosting.
I'm curious to see what effect her speech will have on her popularity. She was at 16% among GOPers, but with big negative numbers. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| If Sarah Palin were to somehow win the Presidency, I think she'd get her wish: a lot of Americans would suddenly start seeking some divine intervention in order to make our nation more safe and secure. Just not in the way she thinks. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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Incredible. What a public relations success. The Tea Party types are exclusively WASP, and patriotic. How they've come to adore a woman who *only* has the flag of a foreign nation in her office is very hard to understand. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Watching the video clip, it sounded more like her comment was in reference to supporting Israel rather than invading Iran. Under normal circumstances I'd be defending the comment, but nothing involving Palin and speaking qualifies as "normal circumstances."
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| Let's face it. Iraq was invaded by the US, Britain, and other democracies simply because they could do it with no threat of military reprisals. Regardless of any other made-up reason why it was justified...the democratically-elected leader of the US decided he wanted to invade and conquer a sovereign country simply because he could do it. Every other reason offered was just window dressing. |
You're not serious, are you? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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There was/is much more justification for the US, Britain and Australia to invade North Korea than for Iraq. Huge stockpiles of known WMDs, in the form of chemical weapons. Problem is, Bush/Blair couldn't invade North Korea without fear of reprisal...in the form of tens of thousands of dead soldiers, serious damage to East Asian trading partners, a potential war with China, and a screwed-up world economy for years to come. Anybody who followed the whole Bush/Blair sideshow about WMDs in Iraq remembers how the reasons for invading changed every week.
Blair was the democratically-elected leader of one of the world's largest democracies. And as such, he decided to invade a sovereign country that was of no threat to the UK whatsoever. So was Bush. And if Palin really is advocating war with Iran, then it's true...the US is now a state that is no more than an election away from invading any country it wants. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Well, her simplistic notion might be that "might makes right" politics combined with reliance on the "Almighty" would be mighty tough to beat.
And that might even be true ...  |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| And if Palin really is advocating war with Iran, then it's true...the US is now a state that is no more than an election away from invading any country it wants. |
Hopefully it'll be Grenada or Panama. I'm tired of seeing us lose. Maybe that's what Palin has in mind with the "lift America's spirits" note on her palm. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Well, her simplistic notion might be that "might makes right" politics combined with reliance on the "Almighty" would be mighty tough to beat.
And that might even be true ... |
I take it, not so much 'might makes right', but as 'bring on Armageddon' and the End Times.
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| Watching the video clip, it sounded more like her comment was in reference to supporting Israel rather than invading Iran. Under normal circumstances I'd be defending the comment, but nothing involving Palin and speaking qualifies as "normal circumstances." |
It is frustratingly vague, isn't it? After posting the original, I thought about the poor translators having to translate for any non-English speaking market. It is so garbbled that Palin could say she wants war with Iran as a way of supporting Israel or she could say she supports Israel and the thing about Obama invading Iran is something else.
This is not the first time I've felt her sentences are like a Rorschach test--the listener interprets them any way he/she feels. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Let's face it. Iraq was invaded by the US, Britain, and other democracies simply because they could do it with no threat of military reprisals.
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And if Palin really is advocating war with Iran, then it's true...the US is now a state that is no more than an election away from invading any country it wants. |
The US Military: A Mindset of Barbarism
Saturday 06 February 2010
by: Dahr Jamail, t r u t h o u t | Interview (Part 1)
On December 27, in the eastern Kunar region of Afghanistan, ten Afghans, eight of whom were schoolchildren, were dragged from their beds and shot by US forces during a nighttime raid. Afghan government investigators said the eight students were aged from 11 to 17 years.
This incident is but one example of countless atrocities US military personnel have carried out in the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. In Iraq, US military personnel torturing detainees in Abu Ghraib, Iraqi civilians suffering the violence meted out by US forces, or US forces detaining schoolchildren in Baghdad, the list of atrocities is seemingly endless.
Dr. Stjepan Mestrovic, a professor of sociology at Texas A&M University, has written three books on US misconduct in Iraq: "The Trials of Abu Ghraib: An Expert Witness Account of Shame and Honor," "Rules of Engagement?: Operation Iron Triangle, Iraq," and "The 'Good Soldier' on Trial: A Sociological Study of Misconduct by the US Military Pertaining to Operation Iron Triangle, Iraq." He has three degrees from Harvard University, including a Master's degree in clinical psychology, and has been an expert witness in psychology and sociology at several Article 32 hearings, courts-martial, and clemency hearings involving US soldiers accused of committing crimes of war in Iraq, including the trials of prison guards involved in the Abu Ghraib scandal.
Dr. Mestrovic's books meticulously document how the US Army, as an institution, has become dysfunctional, and how illegal rules of engagement (ROE) are issued by officers and politicians at the top of the Army's hierarchy, but only low-ranking soldiers are punished for carrying out those same rules and orders. As an example, in one of the several hearings Dr. Mestrovic has attended as an expert witness, US soldiers openly admitted they had shot a 75-year-old man who had emerged unarmed from his house, but because the soldiers were following the rule to shoot all "military aged males," neither they nor their officers were charged for that death.
Truthout recently conducted an extended two-part interview with Dr. Mestrovic.
interview at link |
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Kuros
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