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Ya-ta Boy
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Late-breaking addendum:
"The South Carolina Republican Party apparently feels that they aren�t conservative enough yet, so they�ll be uniting with tea party groups. That ought to do it."
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35748_So._Carolina_GOP_Converging_with_Tea_Partiers
Yes, yes, I know. The SC tea party group were not your kind of libertarian so they aren't really libertarians. They insisted you should only break open a boiled egg at the little end, not the big end and are therefore disqualified from being a libertarian for ever and ever. Yeah. And people who sprinkle instead of immerse are not real Christians, either. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Granny can freeze to death in the dark as long as we buy a new aircraft carrier. |
This has been happening under Democratic and Republican leadership, not Libertarian. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| When a libertarian or Libertarian decides to join an actual party with a chance of winning a seat, which party does he/she join? |
Neither. I vote for the libertarian who won't win anyway and watch with a clean conscience as America collapses.  |
Not to choose is to choose. So whether it is choosing a real party (hence 'when') or refusing to choose, you endorse the socially conservative GOP. Either explicitly or tacitly, you endorse the party that insists it has the right to insert itself into a woman's decision to have a baby, you endorse the party that insists it has the right to determine your method of alternate consciousness, you endorse the party that pushes for voluntary wars in foreign countries (Grenada, Panama, Iraq), you endorse the party that insists on intervening in end-of-life decisions, you endorse the party that insists on telling everyone who they can have sex with.
Excuse me when I question your committment to 'liberty'. Actions speak louder than words and your words are just not very loud. When I hear libertarians speak, it is all too often in defense of corporate interests and against the liberty of the individual. |
My brother voted McCain and blames me for the Obama victory. He says I threw away my vote by voting third party and gave no genuine, functional opposition to Obama.
Now, you say my vote against McCain was actually a vote for the GOP.
It seems like Republicans and Democrats alike are offended that I didn't vote for "their" idiotic candidate.
Yata, the Republicans and Democrats both voted for the Iraq war. As a Democrat, the blood of Iraqis is on your hands. Stop blaming me for Grenada, Panama, and Iraq. I was too young to vote during Grenada and Panama, and I voted for candidates who are opposed to the war in Iraq (meaning I did not vote for Democrats or Republicans).
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gay in korea
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Reggie wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Granny can freeze to death in the dark as long as we buy a new aircraft carrier. |
This has been happening under Democratic and Republican leadership, not Libertarian. |
the degree to which libertarians romanticize and distort their position is interesting. The party/movement is against gays. Vive la Liberte! |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| gay in korea wrote: |
| Reggie wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Granny can freeze to death in the dark as long as we buy a new aircraft carrier. |
This has been happening under Democratic and Republican leadership, not Libertarian. |
the degree to which libertarians romanticize and distort their position is interesting. The party/movement is against gays. Vive la Liberte! |
Untrue, but it is true that you guys haven't had equal rights under the government of Democrats or Republicans. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| gay in korea wrote: |
| Reggie wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Granny can freeze to death in the dark as long as we buy a new aircraft carrier. |
This has been happening under Democratic and Republican leadership, not Libertarian. |
the degree to which libertarians romanticize and distort their position is interesting. The party/movement is against gays. Vive la Liberte! |
This is absolutely false. David Boaz, the executive VP of the Cato institute is known to be gay (this is my understanding so please correct me if I'm wrong). Also, here is what the Cato institute has to say about gay marriage.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=11112
Reason on gays in the military.
http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/08/buried-truths-about-gays-in-th
Vive la Liberte, Indeed! |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto, that's true. Also, the late Marilyn Chambers was in many lesbian porn movie scenes and was the Vice Presidential candidate of the libertarian Boston Tea Party. |
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gay in korea
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| during the last election the leader of your party said he and the party were against same sex marriage. As did your principal hero, Ron paul. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Here's an article about Democrats gay bashing the candidate I voted for in 2008. http://www.counterpunch.org/wolf07102004.html Nader is for gay rights and against the war in Iraq. |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| gay in korea wrote: |
| during the last election the leader of your party said he and the party were against same sex marriage. As did your principal hero, Ron paul. |
I voted for Charles Jay in 2004 and Ralph Nader in 2008, so I'm not sure which party you're saying I'm a member of. I vote based on the issues, not the party, to which a candidate attaches himself or herself.
As it stands, we're governed by Democrats and Republicans. If you're not happy about the wars or how gays are treated in America, maybe you elected the wrong candidates.  |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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I don't know when Ron Paul ever took a position of being against gay marriage. In fact, he would prefer the government get out of the marriage position altogether. Here is Ron Paul on drugs, prostitution and marriage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJz81lAwY0M
Individuals should always be (1) left alone to live a dignified life in peace and (2) pursue happiness in their own way without fear of reprisal.
*I mention (1) because of the thread is more about the machinations of the dim-witted warfare state than it is about libertarian philosophy concerning gay marriage.
Also, for those so inclined, here is the website for (Outright!) Gay Americans more interested in learning about the philosophy of liberty.
http://www.outrightusa.org/ |
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Reggie
Joined: 21 Sep 2009
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Democrats vote against gay rights so much, it boggles the mind why the Democratic Party is so popular with gays. Do gays like high taxes and foreign wars so much to continue to vote for a party that persecutes them the way Democrats do?
If gays would get behind a third party candidate, I guarantee you the Democratic Party would start making genuine efforts to give gay Americans rights instead of the lip service they currently give gays. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| gay in korea wrote: |
| during the last election the leader of your party said he and the party were against same sex marriage. As did your principal hero, Ron paul. |
Obama was against same sex marriage. So was Hillary Clinton. What's worse, Obama still doesn't have the stones to overturn DADT, even though a 2088 poll shows a large majority of Americans (75%) support gays who publicly disclose their sexual orientation to continue serving in the military.
Also, tarring all Libertarians with Ron Paul's positions is lazy. I really liked your thoughtful, balanced first post on this thread (defending Obama's Iraq-Afghan stance), but your contributions have been downhill from there. |
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gay in korea
Joined: 13 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I love how people have gotten defensive. I was not commenting on the dems or the gop. I was simply making a comment about comments made by libertarians on CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc.
I would consider myself to partake in the libertarian philosophy on many, many issues. I was just saying that public comments on the issue of gay marriage by members/candidates have not always been 'libertarian'.
Calm down, guys. You're acting like Korean might if I said Dokdo was Japanese... |
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