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sharkey

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| 3 words - Posttraumatic stress disorder |
My mother works near CFB Gagetown in Ormocto and she is terrified of the soliders who come back from Afghanistan. She sees tons of them and they are three sheets to the wind after they come back. PTS is a big problem with soldiers in Afghanistan and to be honest its not really a combat intensive war. It is nothing like Vietnam or anything before that.
The money is good for Canadian Forces but I don't know if it is worth it. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| .......and all the brown people you can rape. |
The US Military. Macho Redneck meatheads raping women and killing children. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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It's important to remember that, while not all soldiers fit the stereotype, enough of them do to catastrophically outweigh all the good those guys try to do.
And that's a damn shame. But, that's what happens when you give socipaths guns and no criminal liability. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| All the seized counterfeit goods I could unload- Aye Aye sir, that's why I joined the Coast Guard. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Its 2010 and its not like we haven't learned that war sucks. Still amazes me that people will become part of a killing machine and say but heh it has benefits. Good on ya mate good to see that you get money for potentially killing innocent people. Heh but my monster truck needs fuel and it pays well so it's ok. |
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mcviking
Joined: 24 Mar 2009 Location: 'Fantastic' America
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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My brother said after 6 years in the Navy tthat he sat down and did the math and figured they made 50 cents an hour. He had a good MOS but remember you are US government property after you sign up! My mom works for the VA and said alot of the guys coming back are by her opinion (30 years experience) just as F'ed in the head as her Vietnam vets.
I know my brother wasn't the same after he came back and he wasn't even in direct fighting. He was on a very large Air Craft Carrier that had alot to do with the shock and awe of the Iraqi invasion. He said the thing that bothered him the most was hearing the missles and planes taking off, knowing that every missle leaving the tube was costing many lives needlessly.
Other friends have told me that the constant change of the terms of engagement was the most frustrating thing of all of it. In my old line of work, I worked with alot of veterans and well, you know what's worse than cops? War veteran cops. Not to mention I am very aware of the number of would be convicts for certain crimes become enlisted men instead.
For me I couldn't do it because of how assbackwards alot of the decision making is and the fact that I might have to take orders from some evolutionary throw back that is in charge because he has been there for the last decade. But then again Korean management might prepare you for the life of an enlisted man. Officers training is completely different.
Another friend of mine became an officer in the airforce and well he is more of a pompous ass than he has ever been.
And last but not least being a cop for a year was bad enough I couldn't imagine the even worst stuff that the soldiers see. Being fired at sucks balls I don't care how tough you think you are. And dead people are scary looking no matter how many horror movies you ahve seen before hand. |
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Zulethe

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are going way overboard on the "getting killed" aspect of it. The truth is that a high, high percentage of those that joined never get killed or attacked in anyway. Small percentage die? Well, then you better not cross the street, swim in tropical waters or take an airplane if you think like that.
OP, how the heck did you manage to pull off $1,000 for only 8 years? Was it related to your medical discharge? Must have been one hell of an accident to get that for life. A guy I worked with at my previous school was retired military and he got about $1,000 for 20 years in.
You are out of the military and you get health insurance for life? Wow. You don't have to pay anything per month for it? It is 100% free?
Damn, I keep reading all these military people that whine about not being paid well and having to live on food stamps, but it sounds to me like they've got it pretty good. Even the lower grade ones probably make about the same as an ESL teacher. They get to live rent free. Free insurance, like this guy and they have an excellent retirment package. Geez, pretty pampered if you ask me for the "possibility" of combat. |
Keep in mind their are two entities that you can get paid from: the military and then the VA when you get out. Yes, to get much money from the service, you have to be seriously messed up. The service does not want to pay you. Their money is for fighting wars not paying disabled veterans
On the other hand, the VA is there to help veterans and they are very liberal about granting disability benefits.
All veterans are eligible for health insurance although if you don't have a disability from serving, it may take a while to get the health insurance because the VA takes care of the most seriously injured vets first and then non-injured vets.
So lets say you served and were never injured. You would be put on a waiting list. You may not get health benefits right away, but eventually you would. Everything is free except I have to co-pay 8 dollars a month for prescription for drugs not related to my service injury.
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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mcviking:
I think a few years dealing with kids in a Korean hawgwon could also give some people post-traumatic stress disorder. Seriously, I had nightmares about my first hawgwon for years, and overall the place wasn't THAT bad. I was paid on time and not treated like crap. It is just somehow got under my skin.
So I can see how soldiers who go into dangerous situations can get it. However, getting it while on a ship? Are you kidding me? After reading that I figured my attitude would be an asset. I seriously don't think about innocent people suffering. If I did, I would go insane, as it happens everyday in every country. War is what it is: people get hurt, people die. Hopefully it is military people, but innocents get hurt too.
I was actually thinking about the military and how they have changed since I was in high school (at least in Canada). They pay like twice as much now and have better benefits. A smart person would go to Royal Military College (our West Point), get a 4 year degree, then go to law school. Have the military pick up the tab for that, get out of law school, get ranked automatically as captain and do your required years. Yes, you will be ranked higher than your classmates after only a couple extra years of studying. Pretty sweet huh? Captains salary beats what a lawyer makes their first couple years, and you get job experience to boot. Hell, since you are in the military, you probably get to do your year articling for the military too.
Anyways...I am too old and unless the military is hiring teachers of a different nationality, I guess my time has passed.
For younger people, I agree, it is a pretty good deal in many respects.
Oh and that military experience in the US = secret or top secret clearance = BIG paying jobs for DoD contractors. I got a buddy making 150k a year working for a contractor and even though 50k of that is his housing allowance for the year, that is still pretty damn AWESOME. Another guy I know is making over 200k a year tax free working in a war zone. |
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tampabulls
Joined: 20 Sep 2009
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| .......and all the brown people you can rape. |
The US Military. Macho Redneck meatheads raping women and killing children. |
Yeah, what they did to those poor Nazis going about their business was messed up. |
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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yes because the army is exactly the same now as it was in the 40s
excellent argument sir i crown you king of logic. here is your orb and scepter |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| mcviking wrote: |
| remember you are US government property after you sign up! |
Members of the United States Armed Forces are not government property. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| mcviking wrote: |
| remember you are US government property after you sign up! |
Members of the United States Armed Forces are not government property. |
-If you leave your assigned location without permission, you can be arrested. Your freedom of movement, as such, is gone.
-If you disobey orders, you can be put to criminal trial. Your freedom of action, as such, is gone.
-You lose your right to a lawyer and your right to be tried under the US legal system. Your basic rights to be treated as a citizen in the eyes of the law, as such, are gone.
The methodology of the military, if employed in the private sector, would be illegal, and with good reason: it's tantamount to slavery. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| mcviking wrote: |
| remember you are US government property after you sign up! |
Members of the United States Armed Forces are not government property. |
-If you leave your assigned location without permission, you can be arrested. Your freedom of movement, as such, is gone.
-If you disobey orders, you can be put to criminal trial. Your freedom of action, as such, is gone.
-You lose your right to a lawyer and your right to be tried under the US legal system. Your basic rights to be treated as a citizen in the eyes of the law, as such, are gone.
The methodology of the military, if employed in the private sector, would be illegal, and with good reason: it's tantamount to slavery. |
If you abandon your assigned duty, you can be tried under the laws of the United States.
If you disobey a lawful order, you can be tried under the laws of the United States.
You do not forfeit your right to legal representation. No, you are not property and you are still a person under the law.
Members of the United States Armed Forces are volunteers who have willfully joined and made themselves subject to a particular code of US law, passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law by the President. Military members continue to remain subject to civilian law also and they have not forfeited their rights to trial or legal representation.
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CapnSamwise
Joined: 11 Jan 2010
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:02 am Post subject: |
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maybe if the slaves helped DEFENDED YOUR FREEDOM we wouldn't need GOD'S OWN PATRIOTS
*covers self in flag and shouts the pledge of allegiance*
i love america more THEREFORE I AM CORRECT |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| I always heard that you can still get pulled back into the army even several years after you finished your service. |
In a way, yes. I remember it being called "Inactive Ready Reserve" but I guess it's called "Individual Ready Reserve".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Ready_Reserve
Basically, (In the Army at least) no matter how many years of active duty you sign up for, usually between 2 - 5 years for the first enlistment, you are actually signed up for 8 years.
For example, I may only serve 2 years in the infantry active duty, get my honorable discharge BUT I'm not fully discharged for another 6 years. It's not like the Reserve Army since I receive no pay and don't have to attend any training or even report to anyone. It always balances out...maybe 4 years Active Duty and 4 IRR, 5 AD/3 IRR, etc.
I've never been called up, nor has anyone else I know. I guess it's like the very last straw before a Draft is implemented or to possibly fill the ranks of a reserve unit about to be deployed. |
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