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bluelake



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:51 pm    Post subject: Japanese Foreign Minister Apologizes to Korea Reply with quote

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/11/japan.korea.apology/index.html

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Japanese Foreign Minister Katsuya Okada on Thursday apologized to South Korea for the more than three decades when Japan ruled over Korea, calling the time a "tragic incident."
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Smee



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How's the Korean-language media taking it?

In the US apologizing for an "incident" is a sort of non-apology.
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Old Gil



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't this about the 3000th apology Japan has made? Maybe Korea has apology fatigue.
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Sadebugo1



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Gil wrote:
Isn't this about the 3000th apology Japan has made? Maybe Korea has apology fatigue.


Yes, but they haven't apologized 'sincerely' yet.

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BoholDiver



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if this one isn't 'sincere' either.

My thinking is Korea wants Japan to 'apologize' with their pocketbook again.

Sadebugo1 wrote:
Old Gil wrote:
Isn't this about the 3000th apology Japan has made? Maybe Korea has apology fatigue.


Yes, but they haven't apologized 'sincerely' yet.

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Old Gil



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they waiting for tears? Screaming? An impromptu paper cup soju session at 10am? Guttural expulsions over certain consonant sounds to indicate emphasis?

Japan obviously doesn't understand, which is unfortunate because they MUST.
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anjinsan



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Japan has apologized several times, including the 1965
apology where Japan provided $300 million in grants, $200 million in soft loans-loans extended at no or low interest, and $300 million in commercial loans, as well as personal compensation for 8500 families of Koreans conscripted (not the ones who willingly volunteered for combat) into the J. army in WWII who were killed in action. Park Chung Hee sought this cash in order to build Korea up at the time; and, this is exactly what happened.

In 2005, S. Korea decided it wanted more compensation and more apologies, reasoning that the 1965 apology/payment wasn't "sincere" enough.

Honestly, I don't think S. Korea wants to let go of this. Who would they have to hate (besides the US)? Who would they have to blame for all their problems (besides the US)?
What would happen to all those South Korean (not North Korean mind you) anti-Japanese "heros" like Kim Gu, Yu Kwan Sun, and Yi Soon Shin?

Being victims of this very inaccurate idea of Japanese colonialism
(ex. the Japanese cut down all of Korea's trees, Japan killed all of Korea's tigers, Japan was responsible for Korean illiteracy post liberation,
Japan spelled Korea with a "K," Japan caused the collapse of the Chosun dynasty, etc.) is what makes S. Korea South Korea. It seems that the measure of a good Korean citizen is the extent to which he or she hates Japan. Being the victim of this idea of Japanese colonialism
is a very large part of the modern Korean identity--North and South.

What would Korea do if it no longer had Japan to hate?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anjinsan wrote:
Yes, Japan has apologized several times, including the 1965
apology where Japan provided $300 million in grants, $200 million in soft loans-loans extended at no or low interest, and $300 million in commercial loans, as well as personal compensation for 8500 families of Koreans conscripted (not the ones who willingly volunteered for combat) into the J. army in WWII who were killed in action. Park Chung Hee sought this cash in order to build Korea up at the time; and, this is exactly what happened.

In 2005, S. Korea decided it wanted more compensation and more apologies, reasoning that the 1965 apology/payment wasn't "sincere" enough.

Honestly, I don't think S. Korea wants to let go of this. Who would they have to hate (besides the US)? Who would they have to blame for all their problems (besides the US)?
What would happen to all those South Korean (not North Korean mind you) anti-Japanese "heros" like Kim Gu, Yu Kwan Sun, and Yi Soon Shin?

Being victims of this very inaccurate idea of Japanese colonialism
(ex. the Japanese cut down all of Korea's trees, Japan killed all of Korea's tigers, Japan was responsible for Korean illiteracy post liberation,
Japan spelled Korea with a "K," Japan caused the collapse of the Chosun dynasty, etc.) is what makes S. Korea South Korea. It seems that the measure of a good Korean citizen is the extent to which he or she hates Japan. Being the victim of this idea of Japanese colonialism
is a very large part of the modern Korean identity--North and South.

What would Korea do if it no longer had Japan to hate?


For anyone not in the know, Yi Soon Shin / Lee Sun Sin is the gigantic statue in the middle of Gwanghwamun Plaza. It's without a doubt the most famous statue in the most prominent location in Seoul, and it's of a guy who became a hero by fighting a naval battle against the Japanese in the late 16th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Sun-sin

Hating Japan is basically an essential part of Korean culture, and no amount of sincere apologizing will change that. Korea needs to hate Japan in order to be Korean.
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shinramyun



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Irish hating on brits? Laughing
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nautilus



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theres a strong motivational force to hate. Korea used it to build nationalism and economic competitiveness. It was a useful thing to them.

However forgiveness is a much stronger and more positive force. They will need that to advance to the next level.
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Sadebugo1



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redaxe wrote:
anjinsan wrote:
Yes, Japan has apologized several times, including the 1965
apology where Japan provided $300 million in grants, $200 million in soft loans-loans extended at no or low interest, and $300 million in commercial loans, as well as personal compensation for 8500 families of Koreans conscripted (not the ones who willingly volunteered for combat) into the J. army in WWII who were killed in action. Park Chung Hee sought this cash in order to build Korea up at the time; and, this is exactly what happened.

In 2005, S. Korea decided it wanted more compensation and more apologies, reasoning that the 1965 apology/payment wasn't "sincere" enough.

Honestly, I don't think S. Korea wants to let go of this. Who would they have to hate (besides the US)? Who would they have to blame for all their problems (besides the US)?
What would happen to all those South Korean (not North Korean mind you) anti-Japanese "heros" like Kim Gu, Yu Kwan Sun, and Yi Soon Shin?

Being victims of this very inaccurate idea of Japanese colonialism
(ex. the Japanese cut down all of Korea's trees, Japan killed all of Korea's tigers, Japan was responsible for Korean illiteracy post liberation,
Japan spelled Korea with a "K," Japan caused the collapse of the Chosun dynasty, etc.) is what makes S. Korea South Korea. It seems that the measure of a good Korean citizen is the extent to which he or she hates Japan. Being the victim of this idea of Japanese colonialism
is a very large part of the modern Korean identity--North and South.

What would Korea do if it no longer had Japan to hate?


For anyone not in the know, Yi Soon Shin / Lee Sun Sin is the gigantic statue in the middle of Gwanghwamun Plaza. It's without a doubt the most famous statue in the most prominent location in Seoul, and it's of a guy who became a hero by fighting a naval battle against the Japanese in the late 16th century: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Sun-sin

Hating Japan is basically an essential part of Korean culture, and no amount of sincere apologizing will change that. Korea needs to hate Japan in order to be Korean.


I wonder if the hatred stems from jealousy rather than the colonial past. Japan has always stolen the headlines from Korea and ascended to a place in the world that Korea wishes it could. Japan is more important than Korea even in its current weakened state.

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0ju



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's the way Japan phrases its apologies... they will acknowledge that a tragedy occured, but they never actually come out and say "We're sorry that we [Mod Edit]."

Besides, it's been less than a century since the Japanese were kicked out of Korea. Give it some time for the memory to fade.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ju wrote:
I think it's the way Japan phrases its apologies... they will acknowledge that a tragedy occured, but they never actually come out and say "We're sorry that we [Mod Edit]."

Besides, it's been less than a century since the Japanese were kicked out of Korea. Give it some time for the memory to fade.


They don't want the memory to fade, that's why you have 8 year old's screaming that they hate Japan.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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tomato



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few years ago, the social studies textbooks in Japan were revised.
The Koreans were angry because those textbooks justified the colonization of Korea.
Stores in neighborhoods with a high Japanese population put up signs saying "No Japanese allowed."

I wonder if the textbooks have been revised since then.
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