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Less controversial topic for the guys (suit question)
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eljuero



Joined: 11 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Less controversial topic for the guys (suit question) Reply with quote

The question is about suits. I've worn a tie and dress slacks of course but not a suit. Don't have one honestly. How important is this for the SMOE process and following that? It sounds like they make a big deal of your first day?

At any rate, I'm wondering if this can be postponed?Is it really a faux pas not to wear a suit (vs. a nice shirt and tie, nice sweater with button down and tie etc..?) on your first day or at SMOE?

Are they going to bounce my *ss back to the states for not having one?

By the way, if anyone's got a source link on this discussion I'd be grateful!
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bigtexas



Joined: 30 Nov 2009

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man I work at a uni, and they require us to wear formal attire every day. Now that does not mean all out suits, but sometimes I wear close to the total suit. If we want the students to take us seriously, looking good is almost mandatory.

But, your situation is for the "first day". Man, if you are thinking about staying in Korea, or moving to a better job someday, like a uni job, I would advise you to get a suit, or at least a jacket. If you are somewhat new to korea, you got to know that appearance is REALLY important here. It is just as important as your resume. I would just break down and get one. But if you are leaving after this year, just put together the best clothes you have and borrow a jacket.

But I would choose the first option.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need a place to purchase a suit, I suggest any "Dainty" store. They usually have a 2 for 1 sale where you get 2 custom suits for 370,000 or thereabouts. They are a Korean chain, and can be found all over.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Less controversial topic for the guys (suit question) Reply with quote

eljuero wrote:
The question is about suits. I've worn a tie and dress slacks of course but not a suit. Don't have one honestly. How important is this for the SMOE process and following that? It sounds like they make a big deal of your first day?

At any rate, I'm wondering if this can be postponed?Is it really a faux pas not to wear a suit (vs. a nice shirt and tie, nice sweater with button down and tie etc..?) on your first day or at SMOE?

Are they going to bounce my *ss back to the states for not having one?

By the way, if anyone's got a source link on this discussion I'd be grateful!
Eljuero


You can get by with a cheap 2 piece suit or just slacks, shirt, tie and sport coat/jacket/blazer.

Don't sweat over it but as a professional it would be in your interest to own at least 1 for those special occasions when you need it. It doesn't have to be the latest Armani design and doesn't have to cost a fortune.

IF you are chest size 40 or less you can get them easily here. If you are larger than that then it might be easier to get a cheap one from your local "Sears" and adjust your wardrobe AFTER you begin work and get some money in the bank.

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Troglodyte



Joined: 06 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which is cheaper in Korea?
1. buying a ready made suit at a shop
2. having one made by a tailor

I've been in a lot of countries were it was significantly cheaper to have suits completely custom made by a tailor. You buy the materials, show the tailor a picture of a suit that you like (or choose from some examples that they have), the tailor/seamstress measures you and you come back in a week to pick up the suit (or have adjustments made). In some countries, it's also cheaper to have dress shirts and trousers made by a tailor than to buy them at a department store. How is it in Korea? I've never bought a suit here and the rest of my clothes always came from a department store but I'm curious now about whether tailors are cheaper.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can find ready-made suits pretty cheap here. Problem is, they look cheap and also may not fit you (small shoulders, for example).
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public school jobs will require a polo shirt and slacks. Wink
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dunc180



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second getting a suit custom made. I bought a couple while I was in Korea and they were the best things I brought back home. Friends that comment about them cannot believe getting a custom tailored suit could be so cheap (250-300,000 won from a place in Itaewon). The only thing, on one of the suits they spelt my name wrong on the inside pocket.
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Hightop



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working for SMOE (elementary) you do not have to wear a suit. The only two days most of the male teachers at my school wore a suit was photo day and graduation day. I worked for SMOE for 2 years and the only day I wore a suit was the first day, it was inappropriate. My co-teachers wore jeans 90% of the time.
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eljuero



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject: Thanks for all the feedback Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the great feedback and opinions. All worth considering.
I was able to pick up some new dress shirts on sale and a nice tweed jacket this morning.....already got some business type pants.
I'll give these a go and of course I've got my charming personality.Laughing
ElJuero
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kinerry



Joined: 01 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hightop wrote:
Working for SMOE (elementary) you do not have to wear a suit. The only two days most of the male teachers at my school wore a suit was photo day and graduation day. I worked for SMOE for 2 years and the only day I wore a suit was the first day, it was inappropriate. My co-teachers wore jeans 90% of the time.


Exactly.

A suit is almost never necessary, anyone claiming you need one to be "taken seriously" has no people skills and does not know what they are talking about. That's just petty thinking.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it depends on the season. Suit jackets don't really go with winter coats unless you have a fancy coat to go over your suit jacket. Thus, I haven't worn a suit jacket in years. I did that once and froze my arse off, never again. When it gets too warm, are you kidding me? I'd rather not wear one and not sweat myself silly than wear one and look like Mr. Sweat.

Good luck with your suit.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A suit is almost never necessary, anyone claiming you need one to be "taken seriously" has no people skills and does not know what they are talking about. That's just petty thinking.


Partially true....

Dressing well is a part of teaching at the adult or university level or even in some Public Schools. Wearing a full suit may be too much but wearing formal attire does contribute greatly to sending a message to your students. If you are a bad teacher however, the suit won't save you.

If you are a good teacher is can help establish an initial level of credibility. Conversly, showing up in faded jeans and a wrinkled shirt means you will need to overcome the image issue.

Why not make image work for you....?

I will second the idea voiced earlier: buy one or two suits. They come in handy for formal occasions.
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Cerberus



Joined: 29 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I brought a suit that I have worn on one occassion, my HS graduation.

Every teacher was smiling then they saw me that day including females) and they kept telling me how "hansom" I looked.

my response was "only today"? Very Happy

I like to have it for emergency purposes/special occasions.

anyways, bring one if you can but you'd be dumb to wear it with any regularity.

don't buy it in Korea. It won't fit and it will suck and be too expensive. Do you like shiny silver? Very Happy

lots of Indian tailors on Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok that will tailor make you a decent suit for 99 USD.
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Konglishman



Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Nanjing

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cerberus wrote:
I brought a suit that I have worn on one occassion, my HS graduation.

Every teacher was smiling then they saw me that day including females) and they kept telling me how "hansom" I looked.

my response was "only today"? Very Happy

I like to have it for emergency purposes/special occasions.

anyways, bring one if you can but you'd be dumb to wear it with any regularity.

don't buy it in Korea. It won't fit and it will suck and be too expensive. Do you like shiny silver? Very Happy

lots of Indian tailors on Sukhumvit Road in Bangkok that will tailor make you a decent suit for 99 USD.


Actually, I got talked into buying 3 suits there. It hurt my wallet, but in retrospect, I am glad that I have those suits.

Incidentally, I have was wearing one of those suits on a flight back to Korea. After arriving at the airport, I noticed a number of people looking at me with confusion written all over their faces. Also, more importantly, I found that I was being treated with a noticable amount of respect and deference.
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