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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| RufusW wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| the GOP wants to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Not fix them. Destroy them. |
Or leave them be, let them destroy America's finances and then blame government and have an excuse to rip apart social services. |
Sure. Leave these evil, disasterous programs in place. They have been opposed by economists and freedom lovers since their inception. Economists and actuaries since the 1930s have pointed out the facts: That the unfunded liabilities would grow, the programs would become bankrupt, then they would bankrupt the government and destroy the economy. Along the way, they would destroy or prevent the creation of millions of jobs.
It was known at the time it was created that Social Security would have to be repealed or it would destroy itself and the nation. According to a historian close to the Roosevelt family, FDR actually knew this as well and had a plan for repeal following the war, but he died before the war ended and before he could begin the process.
Social Security has been legally bankrupt since the mid 1950s. It has prevented the creation or destroyed over 500,000,000 jobs around the world, to date. The number is growing exponentially. (The power of compound interest.) It is the major component in the now $99 trillion (according to the Federal Reserve, understated, and growing) total debt of the US government. (That's $99,000,000,000,000.00) The unfunded liabilities of Social Security alone are expected to result in a total collapse of the US dollar and US government by the mid 2020s.
The only possible solution, and the only fair and rational solution is to phase out Social Security. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| It has prevented the creation or destroyed over 500,000,000 jobs around the world, to date. The number is growing exponentially. |
Show the math proving this please. 500 million jobs -- a number roughly equivalent to the total populations of the United States, the United Kingdom, France, and Germany combined -- gone just because America happens to have a retirement program is pretty substantial. Obviously a claim like this needs a detailed mathematical proof, which I'm sure you have in your possession given this isn't the first time you've made said claim.
Honestly your entire claim reminds me a lot of the Obama Administration's claims regarding the stimulus. "We've saved or created blah blah blah number of jobs!" What you're claiming is even more vague and even less defensible. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Medicare and Social security needs to die. Social security is a giant Pyramid scheme. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Republican Health Care = "Rounding up Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Communists and the Deformed and killing them in gas chambers and then taking their hair and gold teeth afterward."
Alan Grayson, House Democrat , Florida's 8th congressional district. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| rocket_scientist wrote: |
Republican Health Care = "Rounding up Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Communists and the Deformed and killing them in gas chambers and then taking their hair and gold teeth afterward."
Alan Grayson, House Democrat , Florida's 8th congressional district. |
Grayson is kind of a bomb thrower, but where did he say this?
Whatever, isn't it just a colorful way of describing the situation of that 5 year old kid with cancer who is sueing his insurance company because it won't pay for his treatment (they did the first two times)? Now his hospitals are giving him the treatment, but his family is stuck paying something in the neighborhood of $50,000 a treatment. We are already subject to death panels. They're called health insurance companies. Our access to treatments is dependant on our wealth.
The good news of the weekend is that California company that was going to raise rates 39% has decided to hold off. No doubt just until fewer are watching. |
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