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Old Gil
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In an 'ethical' sense I have no problem with having these people killed, and painfully. If they were to not make it to their trials through some kind of freak 'accident' I don't anyone would shed a tear.
But in a practical, legal sense, the death penalty is bad policy. Let's hope they spend the rest of their lives in misery in an overcrowded prison, getting what they deserve from much nastier people than ourselves. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
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Prisoners like Dahmer can also request to segregated from general population if they feel threatened. Don't know how rational the guy was, though. |
No, he was definitely completely normal. |
One can be a homicidal maniac without being suicidal. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Pennsylvania has the death penalty. They need to use it here. |
Please do not exploit this poor young woman's horrific tragedy for your personal political agenda. |
It isn't a political agenda, I'd think.
Sounds to me to be a quite good fiscal plan.
A. Firing Squad
B. Lethal Injection
C. Electric Chair
D. Hanging
E. All of the above.
I'd say that the folks that did this, once it's discerned who did DO this, should receive one or a combination of the above. I find it useful to keep those who perform such services for the community in business. It keeps them happy, and it keeps me happy.
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| wesharris wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| conrad2 wrote: |
| Pennsylvania has the death penalty. They need to use it here. |
Please do not exploit this poor young woman's horrific tragedy for your personal political agenda. |
It isn't a political agenda, I'd think.
Sounds to me to be a quite good fiscal plan.
A. Firing Squad
B. Lethal Injection
C. Electric Chair
D. Hanging
E. All of the above.
I'd say that the folks that did this, once it's discerned who did DO this, should receive one or a combination of the above. I find it useful to keep those who perform such services for the community in business. It keeps them happy, and it keeps me happy.
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Wes |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| ...also, the imprisonment argument is partly based on the assumption that prison is not a place of torture. In fact, people are routinely raped, tortured and assaulted by other prison inmates every day. They are by themselves places of social revenge against the guilty, its just that society as a whole avoids direct responsibility for it by blaming the inmates. "We just build the prisons...we can't be held responsible for what the inmates do to each other." |
If you can think of a way to make prisons a less brutal place, I for one would like to hear it. There's a fundamental challenge in doing so given the nature of the inmates. I don't like how prisons are handled, but at the same time, I can't think of any solution that isn't either cost-prohibitive (like installing a constant surveillance device with a taser component on all inmates that could be used to instantly disable them if they began harming each other) or even more inhumane (like keeping all the inmates isolated from one another). Prisons in their current incarnation definitely have the feel of a "necessary evil" to me, and they would benefit from improving if you have an insight. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| ...also, the imprisonment argument is partly based on the assumption that prison is not a place of torture. In fact, people are routinely raped, tortured and assaulted by other prison inmates every day. They are by themselves places of social revenge against the guilty, its just that society as a whole avoids direct responsibility for it by blaming the inmates. "We just build the prisons...we can't be held responsible for what the inmates do to each other." |
If you can think of a way to make prisons a less brutal place, I for one would like to hear it. There's a fundamental challenge in doing so given the nature of the inmates. I don't like how prisons are handled, but at the same time, I can't think of any solution that isn't either cost-prohibitive (like installing a constant surveillance device with a taser component on all inmates that could be used to instantly disable them if they began harming each other) or even more inhumane (like keeping all the inmates isolated from one another). Prisons in their current incarnation definitely have the feel of a "necessary evil" to me, and they would benefit from improving if you have an insight. |
As a start, you might want to screen out prison guard for sadistic tendencies.
Then, maybe allow marijuana inside. That would serve to mellow many of them out.
The Natural Law Partyonce ran a candidate for president if the U.S. In their platform was a proposal to introduce training in meditation into prisons which has been shown to have positive results:
Has there been any follow-up with the Jail students? If so, how are they doing?
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There is one formal study in progress at the University of Washington based upon our experience with inmates at the NRF facility in Seattle. In addition, NRF Jail Staff and Vipassana Staff have informatlly kept in touch with quite a few of the residents who have completed the Courses. Those who remained in Jail at NRF continued to practice Vipassana, and did very well. They had regular group sittings there and the Jail Staff found them more relaxed, more cooperative, and more abiding of jail rules.
We know about some inmates who have been released. A few have taken additional courses at our Centers, and one has even served a course which his mother attended. Some are working and doing fine; others are successfully participating in drug or alcohol rehabilitation centers. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
As a start, you might want to screen out prison guard for sadistic tendencies.
Then, maybe allow marijuana inside. That would serve to mellow many of them out.
The Natural Law Partyonce ran a candidate for president if the U.S. In their platform was a proposal to introduce training in meditation into prisons which has been shown to have positive results:
Has there been any follow-up with the Jail students? If so, how are they doing?
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There is one formal study in progress at the University of Washington based upon our experience with inmates at the NRF facility in Seattle. In addition, NRF Jail Staff and Vipassana Staff have informatlly kept in touch with quite a few of the residents who have completed the Courses. Those who remained in Jail at NRF continued to practice Vipassana, and did very well. They had regular group sittings there and the Jail Staff found them more relaxed, more cooperative, and more abiding of jail rules.
We know about some inmates who have been released. A few have taken additional courses at our Centers, and one has even served a course which his mother attended. Some are working and doing fine; others are successfully participating in drug or alcohol rehabilitation centers. |
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Some interesting suggestions, especially the meditation. I think the marijuana one is a good one too, though it will be an impossible sell to the public until we legalize it. |
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