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visitorq
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 Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
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| If you don't want a driver's license, don't get one. Feel free to buy your own land and build your own roads. You can drive to your hearts content on your roads on your land. If you want to drive on publicly financed and built roads there is nothing wrong with paying a small yearly fee for the privilege. In your Utopian fantasy do you think private companies are going to build the roads and then let you drive on them without paying a fee? |
The vast majority of funds used for building roads does NOT come from licensing fees but from taxes I already pay. I have every right to use them. |
The cost of our road system includes not only the initial construction cost but also repair and maintenance , signage, traffic police, snow removal, electricity for signals and lights etc, . While it may be true that the vast majority of the funds do not come from drivers license fees, it is also true that a portion of the funding does come from license fees. |
What nonsense. The license fees probably don't even cover the cost of the bureaucracy needed to issue the licenses in the first place. The idea that that money is "just a part" of the overall funding that goes to paying for roads themselves is something you're pulling out of your butt. This is obvious.
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| Why should you have the right to drive on public roads if you have only paid the vast majority of your share and not your full share? Furthermore, why should someone who doesn't drive have to pay the same tax burden as someone who does? Our local public swimming pool was paid for with public funds. Why should I have to pay an additional fee each time I take my kids swimming? Because it is a user fee that apportions more of the cost of the pool to those who actually use it. |
More to the point, why should I or anyone else be forced to pay taxes for crap like swimming pools in the first place? If there's a market for swimming pool usage, then somebody can start a business for it. If you build it they will come. No need to force the public to pay taxes for a swimming pool and cover the cost of government bureaucracy in the middle.
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| Seems perfectly fair and reasonable to me. Likewise certain toll roads charge a user fee to those who actually use it. Perfectly fair and reasonable. |
Yeah, toll roads are reasonable if they're on private property, and paid for with private money.
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| The driver's license fee, vehicle registration fee and gasoline excise tax are all reasonable attempts to apportion a higher share of the cost burden of our road system onto those who actually use it. You pay a relatively small fee per driver another fee per vehicle and another fee per gallon of gas used. Seems perfectly fair and reasonable to me. |
And then you throw out this ridiculous non sequitur, based on the flawed premise that license fees go towards road maintenance. Totally unfounded nonsense.
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| Furthermore you do not have the right to drive on public roads because you have paid all your taxes. Our democratic society has chosen a requirement for licensing . You do have a right to advocate for a change in the law. And the right to move to a society whose laws meet your approval. |
When did our "democratic" society "choose" this? In the first place, the US is a constitutional republic (a fact beyond dispute), not a majority rule democracy. That aside, when was there ever a vote taken on this issue? Of course there never was one - the public just let the politicians lie to them to get elected, then pass whatever laws they saw fit, often behind closed doors. This is about the furthest thing possible from society "voting on the issue".
And there's a reason we don't vote on every stupid little law the government wants to pass: it's unpractical. Far better to just keep it simple and limit the number of laws to those which are actually necessary (ie. free people can do whatever the hell they want as long as they don't infringe upon the liberty of others).
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visitorq
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| jaykimf wrote: |
| If you don't want a driver's license, don't get one. Feel free to buy your own land and build your own roads. You can drive to your hearts content on your roads on your land. If you want to drive on publicly financed and built roads there is nothing wrong with paying a small yearly fee for the privilege. In your Utopian fantasy do you think private companies are going to build the roads and then let you drive on them without paying a fee? |
And in what part of your pea-brain did you equate paying a license fee with paying for roads? As bacasper pointed out, I pay taxes like everyone else (in fact I am forced to pay taxes by law). This is public money - it does NOT belong to the government. This money is used to build roads. The roads are therefore public property, they belong to the taxpayers. As a taxpayer I therefore have a right to use the roads. Nowhere does it follow that the government then has a right to restrict me by requiring a license to drive on roads I helped pay for. At least if the roads were private, I'd be allowed to use them if I paid (but apparently this isn't the case with government roads).
Just because the government collects our taxes does not mean it gets to decide to do whatever the hell it wants and impose any laws it wants (unless we're talking about tyranny)... |
Pea-brain ? You seem to like insulting people. That is a violation of the TOS. Read this: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=155977 If you don't like the expectation of civility here in the Dave's ESL cafe community, perhaps you should move to a community that is more tolerant of rude insulting behavior. My question to the mods is : how many times must someone be warned about insulting others before they are asked to leave? |
"Pea-brain" is nothing to cry about dude... (just who do you think you're impressing with feigned indignation)? Anyway, if it really bothers you, then let me state for the record that I don't actually think your brain is a pea.  |
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