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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Platinumrose wrote: |
You can`t really blame Koreans for wanting lazy, unskilled, parasitical male ESLer`s the hell out of their country. They know these guys couldn`t get a job or a woman in their own countries. The attitude towards male ESLer`s is the same here in China...as it should be!! |
But where's the outrage from the Korean public about this-
http://rokdrop.com/2010/02/16/former-english-teacher-david-nam-convicted-of-murder/
He was a convicted murderer teaching at a hagwon and nothing is said about it by AES, because he's Korean.  |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Platinumrose wrote: |
You can`t really blame Koreans for wanting lazy, unskilled, parasitical male ESLer`s the hell out of their country. They know these guys couldn`t get a job or a woman in their own countries. The attitude towards male ESLer`s is the same here in China...as it should be!! |
Haven't you and your endless socks had enough of milking the same tired old meme?
Why not start talking about the way teachers dress too? Or make a thread about backpacks? Or go the other way and start making kimchi jokes!!!!
If you're going to troll be creative about it. |
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komerican

Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Old Gil wrote: |
Platinumrose wrote: |
You can`t really blame Koreans for wanting lazy, unskilled, parasitical male ESLer`s the hell out of their country. They know these guys couldn`t get a job or a woman in their own countries. The attitude towards male ESLer`s is the same here in China...as it should be!! |
Haven't you and your endless socks had enough of milking the same tired old meme?
Why not start talking about the way teachers dress too? Or make a thread about backpacks? Or go the other way and start making kimchi jokes!!!!
If you're going to troll be creative about it. |
Korea free country, are you uglee? |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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komerican wrote: |
Korea free country, are you uglee? |
Well I have to say this an improvement over your previous style of semi-academic apologia and grandmotherly passive aggressive snark. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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wylies99 wrote: |
Platinumrose wrote: |
You can`t really blame Koreans for wanting lazy, unskilled, parasitical male ESLer`s the hell out of their country. They know these guys couldn`t get a job or a woman in their own countries. The attitude towards male ESLer`s is the same here in China...as it should be!! |
But where's the outrage from the Korean public about this-
http://rokdrop.com/2010/02/16/former-english-teacher-david-nam-convicted-of-murder/
He was a convicted murderer teaching at a hagwon and nothing is said about it by AES, because he's Korean.  |
wylies99- thanks for posting that. It is extremely tragic because it is very true and full of bitter irony; Here we have a convicted murderer who fled to South Korea to evade the US justice system. There were barely any mention of him in any of the Korean-language news. Yet at the same time, Koreans were up in arms over a purported Canadian who was caught in Thailand on sexual assault charges.
Here is my question; Did the US change its policies toward letting Koreans enter the US after they found him? No. What gives Korea the right to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of just one person |
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anjfqhk
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:22 am Post subject: |
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You said it's offensive if somebody calls a Korean American gyopo? That's not true at all. They know they are gyopos. Nothing wrong with that term. If they call him a twinkie or banana some gets offended though.
Mc_jc you sound like g.i.korea from rokdrop.com. |
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ovrproof
Joined: 23 Nov 2008 Location: St. Lucia
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:57 am Post subject: |
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I don't see what the big deal is if you come to Korea to make money. People migrate all over the world from country to country for work. What makes us GETs any different???
When you get an offer that offers you free roundtrip flights, a severance bonus, free rent in a furnished apartment, health insurance and more who wouldnt want to take that if you are willing to go that route???
If Koreans were offered the same thing to teacher korean and get all these perks in another country i'm sure there would be enough people that would want to grab this deal.
I mean i'm not here just for the money, I am here for sure for the experience to be in Asia, and see a different part of the word, but obviously the money and students loans made the decision to teach abroad that much easier. I have korean friends that have a parent working in other parts of asia because they get good money, and i don't see anything wrong with that. I have a few family members that moved to other places around the world because they were offered good money and an attractive package to work abroad. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Anyways, like i said, if you're here for the money that's fine by me but i do think that many of us are here not just for the money, but rather for the experience as well. |
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frankly speaking
Joined: 23 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:20 am Post subject: |
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What is a GET? |
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sojusucks

Joined: 31 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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frankly speaking wrote: |
What is a GET? |
It's like a git but easier to get into bed? |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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You said it's offensive if somebody calls a Korean American gyopo? That's not true at all. They know they are gyopos. Nothing wrong with that term. If they call him a twinkie or banana some gets offended though.
Mc_jc you sound like g.i.korea from rokdrop.com. |
It is offensive because it dennotes that the person, who is ethincally Korean is placed in a category that refers to them as being a foreigner.
How would/does a Korean feel if they are called a Japanese or Chinese because ignorant people don't know the difference? Or how would a ethnic Korean feel if they are called "a foreigner" even if they have never left the country and tries to integrate into their homecountry?
How do mixed Koreans feel about being called "Tikki orlani" because they look different? Or how do they feel when they can't go to school, join the military or even open a bank account because they don't have a hanja name that is supposed to be in the family registry (hoju-jae)- thank god they are getting rid of that discriminatory document...
Koreans LOVE to categorize people to put them in their place. It gives them a sense of entitlement because it puts them within a certain status.
Yes, Gyopo is a nasty term, similar to Chosun-jeok or even Chosun-jin- how would you feel if you were called those names, especially Chosun-jin?
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I mean i'm not here just for the money, I am here for sure for the experience to be in Asia, and see a different part of the word, but obviously the money and students loans made the decision to teach abroad that much easier. I have korean friends that have a parent working in other parts of asia because they get good money, and i don't see anything wrong with that. I have a few family members that moved to other places around the world because they were offered good money and an attractive package to work abroad. I don't see anything wrong with that.
Anyways, like i said, if you're here for the money that's fine by me but i do think that many of us are here not just for the money, but rather for the experience as well. |
I completely agree and I couldn't have said it better myself  |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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mc_jc wrote: |
Koreans LOVE to categorize people to put them in their place. It gives them a sense of entitlement because it puts them within a certain status.
Yes, Gyopo is a nasty term, similar to Chosun-jeok or even Chosun-jin- how would you feel if you were called those names, especially Chosun-jin?
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The idea that the Japanese word for "Korean" is somehow offensive, is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. |
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Old Gil

Joined: 26 Sep 2009 Location: Got out! olleh!
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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mc_jc wrote: |
Yes, Gyopo is a nasty term, similar to Chosun-jeok or even Chosun-jin- how would you feel if you were called those names, especially Chosun-jin?
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조선족 is not necessarily offensive to Chinese-Koreans. I did language exchanges with two of them (born in China, studying here, not working) and they said it wasn't derogatory while they were in China, at least when I asked them in Chinese (chao xian zu), and I went out of my way to ask them "are you offended if I say this?" because I've heard that it's not too nice.
It's could be that when they move to Korea and deal with the Koreans' attitudes towards them (thieving, dishonest, etc) that it becomes to sound like a slur. It could also be that hearing the word spoken in Korean sounds a lot harsher to them because of the situation in which they've heard said by 'pure' Koreans. |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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The idea that the Japanese word for "Korean" is somehow offensive, is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. |
It is derogatory term used during the Colonial period as a way to separate the Koreans from the Japanese and the Japanese loosely use it as a term to deride Koreans.
The correct word for Korean in Japanese is "kankoku jin" not "Jeoson jin"...
And in Chinese, it is "Hanguo ren" not "Jeoson Jeok" |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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mc_jc wrote: |
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The idea that the Japanese word for "Korean" is somehow offensive, is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. |
It is derogatory term used during the Colonial period as a way to separate the Koreans from the Japanese and the Japanese loosely use it as a term to deride Koreans.
The correct word for Korean in Japanese is "kankoku jin" not "Jeoson jin"...
And in Chinese, it is "Hanguo ren" not "Jeoson Jeok" |
No, not exactly.
In Japanese:
chosenjin = Korean person
kankokujin = South Korean person
hokusenjin = North Korean person
In Chinese:
chaoxianzu = Chinese citizens of Korean ethnicity
chaoxianren = North Korean person
hanguoren = South Korean person
The character "Han" refers to South Korea specifically. The characters "chosun/chosen/chaoxian" can refer to either the Korean ethnicity OR North Korea specifically.
I suspect you may bring out the term "bukhan" for North Korea as an example, but only South Koreans and Taiwanese call North Korea "bukhan/beihan." North Koreans call their own country "chosun," Mainland Chinese call it "chaoxian," and Japanese call it "hokusen."
Sure, the Japanese used "chosen" in a derogatory way, because Japanese people were derogatory toward Koreans, so whatever word they called them would have sounded derogatory. But the word "chosen" always has, and still does, just mean "Korean." |
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mc_jc

Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Location: C4B- Cp Red Cloud, Area-I
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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The term "Jeoson" dennotes the old Jeoson Dynasty, so it was commonly used to explain people from the peninsula during that period.
But the term "Jeoson-jin" sometimes refers to a person who is of mixed Japanese-Korean descent- though many Koreans will refuse to explain it that way. It derives from the Colonial era for Koreans who would work for the Japanese, however it was commonly used to refer to slave laborers and comfort women. Later, it was derogatively used to refer to the people who were of mixed Japanese-Korean lineage, similar to the term "Tikki" for mixed children.
"Jeoson-jeok" was used to explain a person who exiled themselves in China during the colonial period. Koreans use it as a derogatory term to explain Chinese-Koreans. It has come to mean not is the only person originally from China, but that they couldn't be trusted because of that.
As you pointed out, there are many more formal and polite ways to express South and North Koreans without referring to the colonial period.
Koreans use these terms the way others might use the term "n----r" or "s---k" to refer to someone of a certain minority- to marginalize and demean those who are not totally "pure Korean". |
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