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smurfystew
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul, ROK
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 Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:10 pm Post subject: E2 immigration violation - Help!! |
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Ok this is entirely my fault but I would like to know if anyone can give me any advice?
I am a 4 year teacher here who is currently going through the process of applying for my 5th visa.
Today I received a call from immigration stating I needed to come see them tomorrow regarding my visa application. Apparently, I placed some of the private lessons that I had done in the past on my resume. This was incredibly stupid, I know. However, I didn't think that the resume would be turned over to the immigration department.
Should I admit to these tomorrow or deny deny deny? I mean its on my resume. Not much can be said about that. What are the possible repercussions to admitting to these classes? Are they going to look into my bank statements? I am wondering if it is better to just leave at this point or if they are going to overlook this bad judgement on my part. Sincere advice would be appreciated. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Have a nice flight. |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Say it was a language exchange with a friend and you received no monetary compensation. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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that is funny.
I know many people who have written jobs (under the table) on their resume and given their resume to prospective employers - only to have the resume given to immigration at the visa process.
Immigration always checks all the details on your resume against what they have on their computer database. |
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smurfystew
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Seoul, ROK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| What happend in the situation of the people you knew? |
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Italy37612
Joined: 25 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| You got caught man. Lie or get deported. You have two choices. Personally I would go with the lie... |
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furtakk
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| i'd say language exchange as well. probably the safest route. if you have any close korean friends get them to back you up if need be. doubt they would pursue it that far though. |
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eIn07912
Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:59 am Post subject: |
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If you tell the truth, you're getting deported. No "ifs, ands, or buts" about it. Immigration loves to throw the book at illegal teaching and you just made yourself the perfect target.
You could lie and say they were language exchanges, but they probably won't buy it. They'll say "that's what everbody says" and give you the boot anyways. If you get busted for lying, then you'll probably be fined, then deported.
Wow. Epic fail dude.
If you really want to stay in Korea, here's what you do: fess up and get deported. Once state side, legally change your name. Change it to something totally unrecognizable. If you were "John Smith" you are now "Chad Wittington." Get a new passport. Get your university to reprint you degree with your new name (they actually will do this.) Find a new job, and start over. Don't put your old stuff on your resume. Tell your boss what you're up to and they might rehire you under your new identity.
Only way around it. Your passport is going to be blacklisted (yes, there is an actual list) and you'll never work in this country again. English teacher or not. I'm not even sure they'd grant you a tourist visa or not.
Best of luck with that. |
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Hamlet
Joined: 18 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Get a hospital gown and one of those rolling IV things. Wheel it into the immigration office with a needle taped to your arm. Tell them you're dizzy and can't really think straight, but, "no, of course I didn't really teach privates." "I lied on my resume to make it seem like I had more experience...because I have a lot of medical bills to pay." "...but don't worry, I'm not contagious, and I don't date Korean girls, and I think Apollo Ohno is a dirty, cheating SOB!" You'll be fine. |
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Forever
Joined: 12 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| smurfystew wrote: |
| What happend in the situation of the people you knew? |
They had to pay a large fine.
Then they could not get an E-2 visa anymore.
(They could stay in the country - but only on a tourist visa).
Immigration told them to go back to their homecountry and wait two years - before coming back to Korea and applying for an E-2 visa again.
Also, Immigration can ask to look at your bank statements.
If you do "under the table teaching" always insist on cash - never have it paid into your bank account.
You can always lie to Immigration and tell them you just placed some of your friends name on the resume, to try to impress the prospective employer - but you had better phone all the people and tell them also to lie to immigration and state that you never taught them - because Immigration will phone them.
(and p.s. I can guarantee you that before Immigration phoned you today - they already phoned your new "prospective employer") - who now may be thinking about not employing you.
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: |
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This happened to a friend of mine. After a couple of meetings where he fully admitted his error and was extremely apologetic, he was fined.
I don't remember what the fine was but I believe it was 2 or 3 million but this had to be 7 or 8 years ago.
My guess and it is only my guess as I am not an immigration officer nor a lawyer so please take my advice for whatever it is worth but the the only way you get "deported" is if you disrespect the immigration officer, cannot pay a fine or if your institution changes its mind and does not want to sponsor your visa.
My guess (and it is only a guess) is that as long as whoever you work for wants to sponsor your visa, your apologetic and you can/willing to pay a fine, they won't deport you.
And, please, people out there, never, ever put non-legal jobs on your resume'. Seriously! |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:06 am Post subject: |
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Well....it's in black and white....in your own words on your resume....you can't get out of it. Period. Lie...and do not think that those immigration folks are stupid....and it'll get worse. Fess up and it's 50/50 on being deported. Depends on how good a day the immigration person feels.
You can always say....no money exchanged hands...they would buy me lunch/dinner..whatever. Still....just like lawyers....you don't ask a question unless you already know the answer.
Tell them...four years, no visa problem, no illegal teaching and if I was trying to hide it...why put it on my resume for you to read! Just friends helping friends and gaining experience. |
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ChilgokBlackHole
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Captain Marlow
Joined: 23 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| always wondered... will the koreans who you gave lessons to get in trouble? otherwise, why would they risk lying to immi on your behalf? |
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Hindsight
Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:43 am Post subject: |
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smurfystew:
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| Apparently, I placed some of the private lessons that I had done in the past on my resume. |
Apparently?
Don't you remember what you wrote?
Ummmm, if the prospective employer turned you over to KImmi, I doubt they will want to hire you; you might try to poison them once you start work.
So if your job offer falls through, you're toast either way.
You're a teacher. Hold your head up high and say: I enjoy teaching. I'm proud of it. I taught those privates English, and they learned a lot. If you want to put me in jail for helping Koreans learn English, go right ahead. I'll teach English to the inmates and guards then. I'll do it for free, that's how much I like teaching English. And I like teaching in Korea. I would like to stay, if you would let me. If you won't let me stay, I will go teach English some place else, like Japan, where I'll be appreciated.
If you do go to jail, be sure to tell your newspaper back home: Local boy hired in Korea to teach English sent to jail for teaching English. It would make a GREAT story.
No matter what, short of divine intervention, you're likely screwed. Hold your head up high and do what five, 10, 15 years from now you will be proud to talk about.
(Or would you rather tell people in the year 2020: I put on my resume that I had done illegal teaching, and when I went to Immigration, I lied, and when that didn't work, got down on my knees, grabbed their ankles and begged for mercy?
Or, Plan Two, you could tell KImmi you didn't actually get paid in money for teaching privates, you did it for sex.)
If they mess with you, go off and do some unpaid English teaching in some third world country. Seriously. And then send a letter back with photograph to KImmi.
Listen folks, and listen carefully: You are not here to teach English. You are here to make money for your school. You're job is to pretend to teach English while your students pretend to learn English. If you actually teach English outside your school you risk getting arrested. If you do any volunteer work of any sort without government approval, you could be deported. This is Korea.
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