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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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 Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:09 am Post subject: HIV Test |
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I got an HIV test last week and thank God it came back negative. I had been worried about it for months but I didn't know where to go to get it done. Maybe this is impossible in Korea without getting deported (just guessing here) but I'm in the Middle East.
I got a blood test and according to the doctor it's 95% accurate but I'm worried about the 5% and perhaps it was a false negative.
It all started when I went out with this guy who had these home-made looking tattoos. When I asked him about them he said he had been in prison, I think for like 10 years but he didn't speak any English so perhaps I misunderstood him (I'm not exactly fluent in Turkish).
About 3 months later I got a flu, this was in Summer, and I didn't have a sore throat which is very unusual. I found out this could be a symptom of acute HIV syndrome and started freaking out. And eventually got the test which was negative.
Should I be worried about this? Anyone else have experience with this? I know I should definitely use protection and will in the future. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Wait what...
You had unprotected sex?
Take the test again in 3 months. Don't have unprotected sex and inform your partners of how "unclear" or "worried" you feel about your status. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Wait what...
You had unprotected sex?
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With a Turkish ex-con? Really rolling the dice, I see. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: Re: HIV Test |
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| NovaKart wrote: |
I got an HIV test last week and thank God it came back negative. I had been worried about it for months but I didn't know where to go to get it done. Maybe this is impossible in Korea without getting deported (just guessing here) but I'm in the Middle East.
I got a blood test and according to the doctor it's 95% accurate but I'm worried about the 5% and perhaps it was a false negative.
It all started when I went out with this guy who had these home-made looking tattoos. When I asked him about them he said he had been in prison, I think for like 10 years but he didn't speak any English so perhaps I misunderstood him (I'm not exactly fluent in Turkish).
About 3 months later I got a flu, this was in Summer, and I didn't have a sore throat which is very unusual. I found out this could be a symptom of acute HIV syndrome and started freaking out. And eventually got the test which was negative.
Should I be worried about this? Anyone else have experience with this? I know I should definitely use protection and will in the future. |
You don't have AIDS/HIV.
As the WHO said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/threat-of-world-aids-pandemic-among-heterosexuals-is-over-report-admits-842478.html
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A quarter of a century after the outbreak of Aids, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has accepted that the threat of a global heterosexual pandemic has disappeared.
In the first official admission that the universal prevention strategy promoted by the major Aids organisations may have been misdirected, Kevin de Cock, the head of the WHO's department of HIV/Aids said there will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa. |
There are two reasons for this (well, for our purposes here):
1) between 15-25% of Caucasians are either strongly resistant to HIV or fully immune.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325234239.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9493032?dopt=Abstract
That immunity acts as a natural barrier for infection.
2) it is so difficult to acquire hiv in heterosexual vag sex (I assume you're not gay) that it is essentially statistically insignificant. You need to have a prior STI that is bleeding or open to be of risk.
http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/images/post/post_c5_d01.gif
Now, take the likelihood that you're immune (I assume you're white). Then take the likelihood the man was positive. Then take the likelihood of transmission. Then take the likelihood that the test was a false-negative. Figure that all out and you're free of hiv fears. Statistics are wonderful.
You do not have hiv. You do not have hiv. You do not have hiv. |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| Well hate to dissapoint you but I am gay, you're right about the Caucasian part though. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Well hate to dissapoint you but I am gay, you're right about the Caucasian part though. |
Don't care if you're gay. It just changes the numbers.
You know what the flu is a symptom of? The flu.
You had a test and it was negative. Take the odds of the false-negative combined with the odds of immunity and the odds of contraction via homosexual sex.
You don't have hiv. If you're worried, go get another one. Then another. Then another. At some point you have to accept your status. Though, as a gay male having random unprotected sex with gay males, you're the highest risk category and if you continue on one day the test will say "positive".
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Well hate to dissapoint you but I am gay, you're right about the Caucasian part though. |
Plus there is no downright statistic for any of this data. Plus statistics are often meaningless. For example, the average IQ of America is 99, UK is 100. This just means a lot of areas there are a lot of dumb people, and other areas have a lot of smart people. It leads to nothing.
I'd check again anyway, if only just to sleep at night. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: Re: HIV Test |
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| NovaKart wrote: |
I got an HIV test last week and thank God it came back negative. I had been worried about it for months but I didn't know where to go to get it done. Maybe this is impossible in Korea without getting deported (just guessing here) but I'm in the Middle East.
I got a blood test and according to the doctor it's 95% accurate but I'm worried about the 5% and perhaps it was a false negative.
It all started when I went out with this guy who had these home-made looking tattoos. When I asked him about them he said he had been in prison, I think for like 10 years but he didn't speak any English so perhaps I misunderstood him (I'm not exactly fluent in Turkish).
About 3 months later I got a flu, this was in Summer, and I didn't have a sore throat which is very unusual. I found out this could be a symptom of acute HIV syndrome and started freaking out. And eventually got the test which was negative.
Should I be worried about this? Anyone else have experience with this? I know I should definitely use protection and will in the future. |
You don't have AIDS/HIV.
As the WHO said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/threat-of-world-aids-pandemic-among-heterosexuals-is-over-report-admits-842478.html
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A quarter of a century after the outbreak of Aids, the World Health Organisation (WHO) has accepted that the threat of a global heterosexual pandemic has disappeared.
In the first official admission that the universal prevention strategy promoted by the major Aids organisations may have been misdirected, Kevin de Cock, the head of the WHO's department of HIV/Aids said there will be no generalised epidemic of Aids in the heterosexual population outside Africa. |
There are two reasons for this (well, for our purposes here):
1) between 15-25% of Caucasians are either strongly resistant to HIV or fully immune.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050325234239.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9493032?dopt=Abstract
That immunity acts as a natural barrier for infection.
2) it is so difficult to acquire hiv in heterosexual vag sex (I assume you're not gay) that it is essentially statistically insignificant. You need to have a prior STI that is bleeding or open to be of risk.
http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/images/post/post_c5_d01.gif
Now, take the likelihood that you're immune (I assume you're white). Then take the likelihood the man was positive. Then take the likelihood of transmission. Then take the likelihood that the test was a false-negative. Figure that all out and you're free of hiv fears. Statistics are wonderful.
You do not have hiv. You do not have hiv. You do not have hiv. |
This post is so full of misinformation it's crazy.
1. The actual rates are 10%-25% (up to 25% for Western Russia, up to 10% for places like Scandanavia, with 0 resistance for say, people from the Mediterranean.). There didn't seem to be any data on the majority of people from places like Ireland, the UK, Scotland, France and Germany.
2. It is difficult to acquire HIV during heterosexual sex if you're a man. If you're a woman, it's easier to contract HIV for various reasons including basic anatomy and men having higher levels of HIV in semen. If you are a woman who has anal sex, it's substantially higher.
So...even if he was a white Russian woman if he had unprotected sex with someone who had HIV she would still be at significant risk. (I'm assuming he was on the receiving end). |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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This post is so full of misinformation it's crazy.
1. The actual rates are 10%-25% (up to 25% for Western Russia, up to 10% for places like Scandanavia, with 0 resistance for say, people from the Mediterranean.). There didn't seem to be any data on the majority of people from places like Ireland, the UK, Scotland, France and Germany. |
Those areas that were hit by (likely) the plague developed a natural resistance to hiv. As such, the proper analysis would look at ones own ethnic origins and make a reasonable estimate. You do not use this estimate to decide if you're going to bang a dude without a glove, but it is helpful in ascertaining the likelihood of infection. It is a relevant variable for a Caucasian.
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| 2. It is difficult to acquire HIV during heterosexual sex if you're a man. If you're a woman, it's easier to contract HIV for various reasons including basic anatomy and men having higher levels of HIV in semen. If you are a woman who has anal sex, it's substantially higher. |
5/10000 vs 10/10000. It is still extremely minor. This is why the WHO said:
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| Dr De Cock, an epidemiologist who has spent much of his career leading the battle against the disease, said understanding of the threat posed by the virus had changed. Whereas once it was seen as a risk to populations everywhere, it was now recognised that, outside sub-Saharan Africa, it was confined to high-risk groups including men who have sex with men, injecting drugusers, and sex workers and their clients. |
And anyways, for heterosexual infection the 5 and 10 are likely individuals with preexisting and open STI's.
The OP is a gay male who had unprotected sex with another high risk individual. That is statistically risky. But he already has a negative test (after "months" from contact).
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| So...even if he was a white Russian woman if he had unprotected sex with someone who had HIV she would still be at significant risk. |
No. Not significant risk. Minuscule. Statistically insignificant, given his already negative test.
And anyways, the politics of hiv in Africa are extremely complicated. Every single individual who shows:
1) a diminished immune system
and/or
2) TB
is automatically given an hiv+ status by policy of the WHO, World Bank and UN. Little testing is done, and when it is done they use high-risk populations and expand to the wider society. Further, a diminished immune system is a function of extreme poverty (sleeping and eating in extremely unsanitary conditions) and TB is highly infectious (unlike hiv).
OP, you do not have hiv. If you need a test to sleep well, get one. Though, will you then need another? |
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Globutron
Joined: 13 Feb 2010
Location: England/Anyang
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, if you just ignore it. And it turns out you have it, then this poster is gonna get hunted down like a rabbit.
And besides, the odds of earth existing is about 1 in 14^-105 or something along those lines, yet here we are. Odd analogy, I know. |
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.38 Special
Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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You'll be all right. HIV tests are pretty sophisticated in developed and many developing countries thanks to UN and philanthropic initiatives.
Get tested again at a later time if you wish. You may prefer to use quality condoms in the future. The wallet is a fine place for an emergency stash  |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| It sounds like either you're a troll or you want some sort of pennance for doing a stupid thing. Look, if you don't get tested you just end up passing it around. You got teted. It was fine. Go on out and enjoy life. Try to be more careful (selective?) next time. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Those areas that were hit by (likely) the plague developed a natural resistance to hiv. As such, the proper analysis would look at ones own ethnic origins and make a reasonable estimate. You do not use this estimate to decide if you're going to bang a dude without a glove, but it is helpful in ascertaining the likelihood of infection. It is a relevant variable for a Caucasian. |
Not generally a Caucasian but a Caucasian of Western Russian (inclusive of places like Georgia, Uzbekistan, etc. I'm not quite sure) or Scandinavian decent.
Again, for people in Scandinavia, the number of people with the gene is around 10%. For people in western Russia, it's up to 25%.
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5/10000 vs 10/10000. It is still extremely minor. |
PER sexual experience/contact. And this does not take into account women who engage in anal sex, or women who have untreated STIs (of which women make up a large percentage of untreated cases).
receptive/insertive oral transmission of HIV at 1 and 0.1 per 10,000 is actually what it means to be insignificant.
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| Dr De Cock, an epidemiologist who has spent much of his career leading the battle against the disease, said understanding of the threat posed by the virus had changed. Whereas once it was seen as a risk to populations everywhere, it was now recognised that, outside sub-Saharan Africa, it was confined to high-risk groups including men who have sex with men, injecting drugusers, and sex workers and their clients. |
This doesn't mean what you think it does. This isn't saying that HIV isn't a risk. They're saying it's not like H1N1 or Herpes in being extremely easily spread across a wide range of populations.
HIV not being a pandemic to him doesn't mean it suddenly becomes almost a non-existent threat. High risk behavior also includes having unprotected sex with a partner of undetermined HIV status.
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| And anyways, for heterosexual infection the 5 and 10 are likely individuals with preexisting and open STI's. |
And for women, the risk of having an untreated STI is actually higher than a man, as is the rate of STIs in general.
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| The OP is a gay male who had unprotected sex with another high risk individual. That is statistically risky. But he already has a negative test (after "months" from contact). |
Okay?
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No. Not significant risk. Minuscule. Statistically insignificant, given his already negative test. |
We're not talking about the negative test. We're talking about him--from the very beginning--being a white Russian woman. We would need to know:
1. If she had any untreated STIs
2. How many times they had sex
3. If they had anal sex or strictly vaginal sex |
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madtownhustl
Joined: 04 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| not to sound rude... but you probably shouldn't be sleazin around in the middle east with ex cons... |
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NovaKart
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
Location: Iraq
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| Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the advice. I should probably check again in 3 months just to make sure but I do feel better about it now. I'll definitely be more careful now and keep a ready supply for "emergencies."
I know it does sound weird me hooking up with an ex-con but I didn't know he was until after the fact when I asked about his rough looking tattoos.
There's so much contradictory information about HIV/AIDS. There's still a lot we don't know about it.
Funny how this conversation turned me into a Russian woman. |
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