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jillie



Joined: 07 Jan 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: HELP! Are these standard Hagwon Hours? Reply with quote

I've been offered a position (I'm a newbie) and these are the hours:

Working time : 9:30 am-7:10 pm (Mon, Wed, Fri) / 9:30am-5:40pm (Tues, Thurs)

These hours include breaks and lunch and teaching hours are up to 30 per week.

Being there over 9.5 hours three days a week seems a bit long, but maybe I'm just being naive?

Input/advice would be greatly appreciated!!!
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen worse, but the average hagwon offers better hours than that. Look for 7-8 working ours a day with 30 hours max of teaching.
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englisheeeteachaaa



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP! Are these standard Hagwon Hours? Reply with quote

jillie wrote:
I've been offered a position (I'm a newbie) and these are the hours:

Working time : 9:30 am-7:10 pm (Mon, Wed, Fri) / 9:30am-5:40pm (Tues, Thurs)

These hours include breaks and lunch and teaching hours are up to 30 per week.

Being there over 9.5 hours three days a week seems a bit long, but maybe I'm just being naive?

Input/advice would be greatly appreciated!!!


Those hours are long. I know a lot of hagwons are trying to offer this to first year teachers and if no one accepts they post again with shorter hours. I guess you cant blaim them for trying.
I would suggest you don�t take that position. You have to remember that hagwons don�t offer vacation beyond the basic holidays. Furthermore, you will probably end up teaching more than 30 hours. A lot of hagwons also try and say that the 5-8 min in between class is your break, even though they expect you to prepare for the next class during that time.
Keep looking for a better offer or try and get into a public school. At least you know what to expect with a public school and you will get 14 days vacation plus holidays. Public schools also give you plenty of class prep time during a 8 hour day.
Good luck.
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jillie



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. What times are the standard times, ie what time does one arrive/get off at most Hagwons? I've heard Public Schools are a better deal, but I don't want to wait until August to head over.

The only thing that gives me pause about turning this down is that all of the foreign teachers at the school seem to really like and have a great relationship with the director. Reading this forum it doesn't seem like that is the norm. But is it worth the hour trade-off?
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englisheeeteachaaa



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jillie wrote:
Thanks. What times are the standard times, ie what time does one arrive/get off at most Hagwons? I've heard Public Schools are a better deal, but I don't want to wait until August to head over.

The only thing that gives me pause about turning this down is that all of the foreign teachers at the school seem to really like and have a great relationship with the director. Reading this forum it doesn't seem like that is the norm. But is it worth the hour trade-off?


Be wary of what the current foreign teachers say. They could be at the end of their contract and just want their bonus and plane ticket. Also, the director could be in the room with them when they are on the phone with you.
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sarahsiobhan



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems criminally long. I am at work from 2:30 (start at 3) and finish at 7:50. There are 5 50 minute classes, and I teach all five two days a week. Tuesday I teach one, Thursday I teach 4 and Friday I teach 3. That's 18 hours a week of actual teaching.

Don't take the contract.
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jillie



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the input!

Before I started this process I read all the posts and promised myself I wouldn't let anyone push me into something and the first offer came along and immediately felt pressure to take it.

I'm going to pass and hold-out for a better deal. Hopefully my recruiter will still work to find me something - fingers crossed!
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hours advertised are NOT the actual hours you have to work. They simply want to schedule you within those hours. If you are scheduled for 30 hours, then you will be paid overtime if you go over. Try to do blocks instead of one class every other hour, and it won't seem like much.

I have done 2 of these kind of hagwon jobs and I ended up getting the better end of it (less than 25 hours teaching, and Fridays off).
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balzor



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:51 pm    Post subject: Re: HELP! Are these standard Hagwon Hours? Reply with quote

jillie wrote:
I've been offered a position (I'm a newbie) and these are the hours:

Working time : 9:30 am-7:10 pm (Mon, Wed, Fri) / 9:30am-5:40pm (Tues, Thurs)

These hours include breaks and lunch and teaching hours are up to 30 per week.

Being there over 9.5 hours three days a week seems a bit long, but maybe I'm just being naive?

Input/advice would be greatly appreciated!!!
i worked those hours last year, its a long day but it tends to fly by
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jillie



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
The hours advertised are NOT the actual hours you have to work. They simply want to schedule you within those hours. If you are scheduled for 30 hours, then you will be paid overtime if you go over. Try to do blocks instead of one class every other hour, and it won't seem like much.

I have done 2 of these kind of hagwon jobs and I ended up getting the better end of it (less than 25 hours teaching, and Fridays off).


They actually told me those are the hours that I will need to be at the school. So did the foreign teachers. I'd get there at 9:30 and leave the at 7:10 (mwf). No, I wouldn't teach more than 30 hours but those would be long work days.
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frankly speaking



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Englishee: "You have to remember that hagwons don�t offer vacation beyond the basic holidays"

Do you recruit for public school jobs, or do you just like to spread misinformation.

Hagwons give a standard 10 days holiday a year. 5 in summer and 5 in winter. Every school that I have worked at or applied to offered the same package.

To the OP the problem with that contract and those hours isn't the length but the fact that you will have a lot of breaks. It really sucks to be stuck at a school when not teaching. When you are in the classroom a lot of hours, time usually flies by pretty quick.

Lots of 30 minute breaks in between really slows up the day.

PS Never trust the teachers there. You don't know them any better than the director. If you take their word for things, you might not be happy either.
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lifeinkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jillie wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:
The hours advertised are NOT the actual hours you have to work. They simply want to schedule you within those hours. If you are scheduled for 30 hours, then you will be paid overtime if you go over. Try to do blocks instead of one class every other hour, and it won't seem like much.

I have done 2 of these kind of hagwon jobs and I ended up getting the better end of it (less than 25 hours teaching, and Fridays off).


They actually told me those are the hours that I will need to be at the school. So did the foreign teachers. I'd get there at 9:30 and leave the at 7:10 (mwf). No, I wouldn't teach more than 30 hours but those would be long work days.


Did you get a copy of your actual schedule? I will post mine in my next post to "frankly speaking".
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Do you recruit for public school jobs, or do you just like to spread misinformation.


I don't know if that was meant for me, but you can add up the numbers here http://hanbit.wikispaces.com

My salary was 2.5 (yes, it was out in the country, but I got the same kind of job through Seoul and I can scan that schedule tomorrow a proof as well as scan another teacher's who still works there and earns more than that.)

To jillie, I was told the same as you. In fact I thought, I would be doing a lot more work because I was supposed to teach adult classes also. However, only 1 signed up before I left the school.

One thing you have to realize about hagwon jobs is that they are not consistent, they all operate differently. In the beginning, you are a nobody, and the owner will of course tell you that you have to be there. I have been told the same thing for 4 jobs. Only the public school stuck to the schedule and made me stay at school.

At the hagwons, I was free to come and go as I please so long as I was prepared to teach and wasn't late. I would be asked to help out on the ocassional Saturday, but that was only once for each hagwon.

You need to talk to the school and the person managing things to find out what the work environment is like. Ask for photos and curriculum books they use. Those will matter more. If everything is ready to go, and you have time, then you are usually free to go. If not, then you haven't established a good relationship with the owner.
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hellofaniceguy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no standard hours per se. Hours are dictated by the customers, how many classes and most of all, how much money the owner can make at your expense.
What is reasonable to one is not to another.
If you don't like the hours...don't sign or talk with the owner and tell them what you'd like...if not, find another place more to your liking.
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englisheeeteachaaa



Joined: 17 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
Englishee: "You have to remember that hagwons don�t offer vacation beyond the basic holidays"


Public schools offer the standard holidays as well as 14-21 days vacation. My point was why would anyone work fulltime hours without the fulltime benefits, e.g. vacations, sick days, ect. Hagwons used to pay more than public schools, this is not the case anymore. Now they basically pay the same and want you to work more than a public school without any of the above benefits.
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