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Dark Shadow Cast Over Vancouver Winter Olympics
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
However tragic it pales in comparison to the offensive in Afghanistan launched on the very same day as his death - all the mayhem that will be unleashed.

I find it even more tragic that nobody in the universe seems to notice what an outrage this is -- first in the name of what the games stand for and all the preaching the IOC and Olympic committees did this year about "peace" - the IOC even getting observer status at the UN. Second, how hypocritical given our own boycott of Moscow in 1980 (and let's not forget all the Georgians who died there while the Olympic flame burned)

It is all a farce and we are all clowns in this deadly circus. Bread and circuses - this year Vancouver, next month somewhere near you....

Even consider these two recent Shrub comments on the Olympics AND the fight in Afghanistan. Treated with the same unnoticed disdain for life.

1. "It's gotta be really exciting, thinking about marching in that stadium and representing our country,"

2. �I must say, I�m a little envious,� �It must be exciting for you � in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You�re really making history, and thanks,�

I hear you, dd.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First addressing the OP directly.

I agree totally that despite all the various factors; athlete's own decision, training time, nature of the sport, preparation of the course, design etc... someone must be held accountable. Financially and for the future, so this won't happen again. The flippant comments / findings of driver's error are farcical. This is not an open highway nor a Sunday drive. This wasn't a "freak" accident at all. I'm with the Georgian prez when he said (to paraphrase), "I know nothing at all about luge and this sport but I do know that nobody should be in danger of dying". that's a no brainer.

To those who find my thoughts distasteful. Good.

So many think death goes down easier with coca cola. I won't wash it down with anything. I'm ashamed that not ONE note about the war in Afghanistan at this time, this Olympics was mentioned in the Canadian press. It shows what a sham so much journalism is. Just stories - no ideas.



The Canadian government should apologize to the Cnd Olympians denied their 1980 participation. Elected officials should also be held to task for continuing hostilities and killing civilians during the time of the Olympics - a tradition and moment of peace -- a hope against hope for peace, that the Olympics has always stood for. Canada should be shamed, shamed, shamed for its choice of the gun during the Olympics (but I bet all the military there are getting Olympic satellite feeds - they too like their death washed down with coca cola).

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ddeubel wrote:
However tragic it pales in comparison to the offensive in Afghanistan launched on the very same day as his death - all the mayhem that will be unleashed.

I find it even more tragic that nobody in the universe seems to notice what an outrage this is -- first in the name of what the games stand for and all the preaching the IOC and Olympic committees did this year about "peace" - the IOC even getting observer status at the UN. Second, how hypocritical given our own boycott of Moscow in 1980 (and let's not forget all the Georgians who died there while the Olympic flame burned)

It is all a farce and we are all clowns in this deadly circus. Bread and circuses - this year Vancouver, next month somewhere near you....

Even consider these two recent Shrub comments on the Olympics AND the fight in Afghanistan. Treated with the same unnoticed disdain for life.

1. "It's gotta be really exciting, thinking about marching in that stadium and representing our country,"

2. �I must say, I�m a little envious,� �It must be exciting for you � in some ways romantic, in some ways, you know, confronting danger. You�re really making history, and thanks,�


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I hear you, dd.


Thx - I'm still hopeful there are people who share a common language of peace not a "peace" ment.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If the nadir of the modern Olympics came at Munich in 1972--...--the ancient equivalent was in 364 BC, as the sacred Games of Zeus were interrupted by a military assault in the middle of a wrestling match.

The bloodbath that ensued was the tragic result of a thousand-year-old grudge...Around 365 BC, wehn the Elians foolishly abandoned their policy of neutrality and became embroiled in Greek squabbles, the Pisatans saw their chance...they occupied Olympia with troops...

But the Elians could not let this insult stand, and decided to attack Olympia itself, at the moment of maximum impact--late in the afternoon of day two, during the final round of the pentathlon, while the tiebreaking wrestling match was actually in progress...the chaos at Olympia as word spread of the Elian army approaching along the Sacred Way. The Pisatans, the Arcadians, and their allies took up defensive positions...archers were placed on the roofs of temples. Perhaps a total of five thousand troops were deployed on the two sides around Olympia...

But the attack, when it came, was shockingly successful. The enraged Elians shattered the Arcadian defense, pushing forward into the Sacred Grove of Zeus itself, where bloody hand-to-hand combat ensued...

The Elians were carrying the day until "they were pelted from the roofs of the arcades, the senate house, and the great Temple of Zeus itself," forcing them to retreat to their camps at sunset. The defenders panicked. Working nonstop through the night, they tore down the wooden booths and barracks from the spectators' tent-city to create a bristling stockade around Olympia. It is a testament to the size of the shantytown that the barricade was large enough to make the Elians abandon their attack when they saw it the next morning. Ancient sources do not catalog the casualties of this unique battle, but they do relate that soon afterward, the Arcadians began pillaging Olympia's treasuries to pay their mercenaries."

(The Naked Olympics, Tony Perrottet 2004 Random House)

There's the idealized ideal and the real reality. Let's try to keep them separate, OK?
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There's the idealized ideal and the real reality. Let's try to keep them separate, OK?


Oh forgive my insolence - thinking that some 2,000 plus years of "progress" might hold us to a higher standard!

It's not the "reality" I reject - just the fact that we accept "reality" as if it were some fait accomplis - it isn't. We citizens, people, the world CAN do something and even be it a small thing - I'll raise my voice and act in that spirit.

Your argument Ya-ta is fatalistic and primitive. It amounts to - because people have always done this, it is okay. I put that into the dustbin of history.

DD
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
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There's the idealized ideal and the real reality. Let's try to keep them separate, OK?


Oh forgive my insolence - thinking that some 2,000 plus years of "progress" might hold us to a higher standard!

It's not the "reality" I reject - just the fact that we accept "reality" as if it were some fait accomplis - it isn't. We citizens, people, the world CAN do something and even be it a small thing - I'll raise my voice and act in that spirit.

Your argument Ya-ta is fatalistic and primitive. It amounts to - because people have always done this, it is okay. I put that into the dustbin of history.

DD
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It isn't the insolence I mind. I've taught too many sophomores in my day to mind that. It's the ignorance.

There's nothing wrong with being idealistic. Just don't confuse the ideal goal with the way things actually are at the moment. It's the journey, not the destination.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passage of time does not mean progress. Humans are no more enlightened,peaceful now than two thousand years ago.

The lugers death which the Canadian federation seems to be trying to sweep under the rug can not be ignored.
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It isn't the insolence I mind. I've taught too many sophomores in my day to mind that. It's the ignorance.

There's nothing wrong with being idealistic. Just don't confuse the ideal goal with the way things actually are at the moment. It's the journey, not the destination.


Okay, point taken.

However, I'd say it is Canadian citizens who are very "ignorant" of the reality of war and destruction that happens miles from their safe haven. Ignorant too, in thinking of some parts of the world as "primitive" and in need of a gun pressed to their head in the name of our "reality" and demigod of democracy and western morality. Tangerine dreams, marmalade skies and Olympic games. We only want OUR peace - that's where the ignorance lies.

Now, I'll put on my headphones and continue listening to "That's just the way it is".

Rollo - I agree and why I put the word "progress" in quotation marks. The only progress is that of each human heart.

DD
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