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Have women changed for the better?
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fromtheuk wrote:
The last post was very amusing. You must be a man! Very Happy


I once felt kinda sad you were never going to get laid again. now I'm kinda glad.
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fromtheuk



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean you were sad I may never lay the table again? I've never liked cooking anyway.

Miaow aboxofchocolates, I'm sorry you didn't receive whiskas for breakfast this morning. Cool
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CapnSamwise



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
fromtheuk wrote:
The last post was very amusing. You must be a man! Very Happy


I once felt kinda sad you were never going to get laid again. now I'm kinda glad.


Yeah, everyone knows 38 is one of those hairless mole-rats you find in caves.
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fromtheuk



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What on earth are you talking about?!!! Laughing
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:
The Gipkik wrote:
So tell me how and why you think the above quotes are contradictory?


I didn't mean to suggest they were contradictory. I just thought it'd be an idea to highlight some very anti-women comments - very eloquent anti-women comments, too - that you previously made, given the song and dance you made about my comments here.


Are you disappointed that your hero isn't as much of a misogynist as you thought? I went the other way with him - sometimes he surprises me and reminds me that there is hope for everyone. Even you. Cheers, The Gipkik!
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BaldTeacher



Joined: 02 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A hot woman who knows how to play her cards, has the world by the balls. Think about how many attractive women have a bunch of orbiters who would do anything for them. They may not get their power from having strength or a military mind, but they have power nonetheless. Their femininity brings them their own type of power while the traditionally powerful man achieves that by maximizing his masculinity. Gender is not a social construct. What, am I imagining the hole that my dick goes in? Am I imagining that I have a dick and balls instead of a vagina? Are my pecs really a pair of knockers? I must be one ugly-ass girl then.

Fat and ugly women have it worse than men and feminism tries to even the playing field a bit in that area. Fat and ugly men can still be attractive to women if they have other attractive qualities. In men, looks are only one possible quality which can be used to display value to women.

In general however, the average man has it worse than the average woman.

Feminism is a system which controls access to desireable women. It lowers the average mans value in the dating pool, but it increases the value of a man who is in the know or who has status. It seperates the men from the boys and the wheat from the chaff. An average man will play by the rules and allow his thinking to get warped. He will put women on pedestals. He'll be scared to make a move. He'll be whipped by any of his girlfriends, he'll get married to some shrew who calls the shots and he'll probably get divorced and robbed for half his stuff.

The good news is, get your shit together and ignore these rules. Act like it's 1955 and things will be easier than ever. The powers that be may have realized that feminism could be used as a control mechanism but since feminism is such a stupid ideology, it's very easy to cheat the system. The main thing that you need to do is grow some balls and stand up for yourself. Feminism is like a giant test to weed out the weak.

You can see it everywhere. Look at the commercials. Some weak ass man will be bumbling and stumbling around and his smart, empowered wife ends up with the solution. Look at the TV- masculinity is parodied and portrayed as being stupid. Tim Allen is on TV, grunting and trying to add more power to everything, then he f___cks everything up. Meanwhile, his wife says jump and he asks how high. In school, a kid will get kicked out for defending himself against a bully. The only way he doesn't get in trouble is if he sits and lets himself get beat. A lot of guys (those who fail the test) take this to heart and grow up to think that their masculinity is something to hide, and they eventually lose it. The only way to pass this test, is to break the rules.
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NovaKart



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of things were worse for men before feminism. Men were sometimes forced into the army, men were expected to give up their seats for women, in lots of jobs men had to wear a suit and tie (we still have to do that sometimes but casual wear is more accepted than before).

Feminism has changed things and there's a balancing act now. In some ways women have things better, like having more independence but men are still expected to be chivalrous sometimes and pay for dates and put women on a pedestal. But then women are expected to do the greater part of raising the children and housework. It's hard to balance what society expects of us to make things equal.

I appreciate feminists sometimes because I think they are likely to be more sympathetic in situations where men are expected to be men and follow the old gender lines and they don't expect the special privelages that women get sometimes. But I wish they would also recognize more often that men don't always have it so great either and stand up for us more.

I also think people should give feminists a break sometimes and not criticize all of them for a few extreme things a minority of feminists have said.
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. I think some men may be confusing being placed on a pedestal with climbing into a throne. One is the illusion of power, the other real.

Many women would have preferred being drafted, as one example cited above. These women today manifest as enlistees.

After all, it is far better to be respected as competent than doted for. To be treated as "too good" for something "too barbaric" is merely a nice way of telling someone that you don't trust them to fulfill a faculty you believe to be better suited for a superior specimen.

Having to use sex (or the implied possibility thereof) in order to function on par with everyone else is a blatant example of prejudice against women. Far better to be a human pauper than a porcelain doll adored within her glass prison. At least the pauper controls his own destiny.

But that is my opinion as a hairless whatever-it-was.
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CapnSamwise



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaldTeacher wrote:
In general however, the average man has it worse than the average woman.


Well. That certainly is an opinion.
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Street Magic



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaldTeacher wrote:
You can see it everywhere. Look at the commercials. Some weak ass man will be bumbling and stumbling around and his smart, empowered wife ends up with the solution. Look at the TV- masculinity is parodied and portrayed as being stupid. Tim Allen is on TV, grunting and trying to add more power to everything, then he f___cks everything up. Meanwhile, his wife says jump and he asks how high.


Interesting. I actually see the unspoken TV rule that women should be made to seem more competent than men in gender interactions insulting to women rather than to men. It's as though the writers are winking at you and saying "haha, look at that-- the woman came out ahead instead of the man," like that should be funny in an expectation defying kind of way.
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Sergio Stefanuto



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, Street Magic, women watch a great deal more TV than men - a sad reflection on the female preoccupation with triviality.

Novakart wrote:
Feminism has changed things and there's a balancing act now


Feminism has changed little. Women's equality was delivered by free market capitalism weaving its magic, in the competition for labor. It's very difficult to take feminism seriously, in consequence. If a minority of women want to sanctify their own gender, then of course they are free to do so in a civilized society, but it's rather silly and something to be discouraged in adulthood, if possible, I feel.
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aboxofchocolates



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:
Also, Street Magic, women watch a great deal more TV than men - a sad reflection on the female preoccupation with triviality.


I'll give ten dollars to the person who can tell me the classic logical fallacy made above. Twenty for the latin!
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.38 Special



Joined: 08 Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania

PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aboxofchocolates wrote:
Sergio Stefanuto wrote:
Also, Street Magic, women watch a great deal more TV than men - a sad reflection on the female preoccupation with triviality.


I'll give ten dollars to the person who can tell me the classic logical fallacy made above. Twenty for the latin!


Umm hmm oohhh I KNOW I KNOW PICK ME PICK MEEEE!!!!!!!

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Sauce pan?

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I don't actually know... Embarassed

Unless bullshit statistic is Latin... and I'm fairly sure it isn't... although the prudent may claim it to be French Very Happy

Nothing personal, Stefi, but proficiency at Trivial Pursuit is pan-gender. Much like your face!!!1 Shocked Twisted Evil Very Happy
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mcviking



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think all of the men and women in this thread need a stiff drink and a roll in the hay. Seriously? Some of the opinions coming from both fronts makes me wonder what you did in college? The space between your legs doesn't define who you are. There are a lot of butt hurt boys on here crying about what women have done to them in relationships. How "girly." Just kidding. But to honestly say that men have it harder than women is ridiculous and you know it is. Intelligence, self esteem, and ones ability to manipulate people is the real issue here, whether you have a *beep* or a vagina is irrelevant.
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DorkothyParker



Joined: 11 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BaldTeacher wrote:
Gender is not a social construct. What, am I imagining the hole that my dick goes in? Am I imagining that I have a dick and balls instead of a vagina? Are my pecs really a pair of knockers? I must be one ugly-ass girl then.


You are confusing gender with sex. The former is sociology and the latter is biology. Don't worry, it happens all the time. It's all part of the greater "nature vs. nurture" debate. Whether you agree or disagree with the concept of gender as a social construct, it is important not to confuse the terms.
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