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Diversity Is Strength! It�s Also�Homicide-Prone Minorities I
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Senior



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kabrams wrote:
Yet another thread where the mods show they actually don't care how "professional" Dave's members are.

Seriously, say "****" and a Mod will come in and edit, talk about Korean women and they'll say "keep it civil". But make comments bordering on outright racism (and they're almost always about black and Latino people) and it's business as usual.


Which comments offended you? Maybe if there are some specific quotes from posters on this thread, we can PM them to the mods.
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:20 am    Post subject: Re: Diversity Is Strength! It�s Also�Homicide-Prone Minoriti Reply with quote

ELGORDO wrote:
BA in liberal arts (i.e. a high school diploma)


This alone is enough to dismiss your opinion.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kabrams wrote:
Yet another thread where the mods show they actually don't care how "professional" Dave's members are.

Seriously, say "****" and a Mod will come in and edit, talk about Korean women and they'll say "keep it civil". But make comments bordering on outright racism (and they're almost always about black and Latino people) and it's business as usual.


I think it's hard to call statistics about homicide rates racist.
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why the article focuses on the races of the victims instead of the perpetrators.
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
kabrams wrote:
Yet another thread where the mods show they actually don't care how "professional" Dave's members are.

Seriously, say "****" and a Mod will come in and edit, talk about Korean women and they'll say "keep it civil". But make comments bordering on outright racism (and they're almost always about black and Latino people) and it's business as usual.


I think it's hard to call statistics about homicide rates racist.


This comment would make sense if I said the statistics were racist.

Let's not go through this again, Fox.
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Senior



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kabrams wrote:
Fox wrote:
kabrams wrote:
Yet another thread where the mods show they actually don't care how "professional" Dave's members are.

Seriously, say "****" and a Mod will come in and edit, talk about Korean women and they'll say "keep it civil". But make comments bordering on outright racism (and they're almost always about black and Latino people) and it's business as usual.


I think it's hard to call statistics about homicide rates racist.


This comment would make sense if I said the statistics were racist.

Let's not go through this again, Fox.


Feel free to point out the racist remarks.
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kabrams



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Murder, however, is for whites, and for anyone else who gets in the way of minorities that are clearly systematically prone to criminality.


That's borderline racist.
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ropebreezy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Diversity Is Strength! It�s Also�Homicide-Prone Minoriti Reply with quote

ELGORDO wrote:
The density of diversity in L.A. County provides a critical mass that allows the bad apples to find each other


This is a weird statement. If there wasn't a "density of diversity," wouldn't the bad apples find each other anyways? I don't understand how racial diversity plays a role in criminals "finding each other."

ELGORDO wrote:
Murder, however, is for whites, and for anyone else who gets in the way of minorities that are clearly systematically prone to criminality.


Why doesn't the author even attempt to explore why minorities are "systematically prone to criminality", I wonder?

ELGORDO wrote:
One of the many advantages of an immigration moratorium is that fewer Americans will have to face the risk that has become a fact of life in my hometown.


This is a premature conclusion based on a poorly written article. Why is it that the author doesn't even mention the reasons minorities engage in criminal behavior in LA? Why doesn't the author cite any of the vast research studies that explore how and why minorities join gangs in cities such as LA? Is the author just a moron, or could it be something else?

We won't ever really know because the author doesn't have the balls to really say what's on his mind.
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kabrams wrote:
Yet another thread where the mods show they actually don't care how "professional" Dave's members are.

Seriously, say "****" and a Mod will come in and edit, talk about Korean women and they'll say "keep it civil". But make comments bordering on outright racism (and they're almost always about black and Latino people) and it's business as usual.


This is Dave's, where recruiters discriminate based on race, black human beings are considered prone to criminality based on dubious statistics, and Lloyd Blankfein is defended to the bitter end because of his white ethnic group. This is the first website I've ever been on where random unnamed people such as yourself and other blacks are more unpopular than Lloyd Blankcheck. Very Happy
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Street Magic



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
kabrams wrote:
Yet another thread where the mods show they actually don't care how "professional" Dave's members are.

Seriously, say "****" and a Mod will come in and edit, talk about Korean women and they'll say "keep it civil". But make comments bordering on outright racism (and they're almost always about black and Latino people) and it's business as usual.


This is Dave's, where recruiters discriminate based on race, black human beings are considered prone to criminality based on dubious statistics, and Lloyd Blankfein is defended to the bitter end because of his white ethnic group. This is the first website I've ever been on where random unnamed people such as yourself and other blacks are more unpopular than Lloyd Blankcheck. :D


Come on, keep your argument with Fox in the Israel thread. You know you dug this thread up just to complain about him, which is pretty weak.
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Reggie



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Street Magic wrote:
Come on, keep your argument with Fox in the Israel thread. You know you dug this thread up just to complain about him, which is pretty weak.


What is lame is, instead of questioning the obviously racist article and its conclusions, you've come up with theories to try to support the racist propaganda spewed by the article's author. I would bet $100 right now that you're not in one of the racial groups disparaged and libeled in the article, which is basically everyone except whites. After all, I've never seen you or any other whites on this website concoct theories in an attempt to support allegations by Korean journalists whenever some of them call white English teachers drug abusers and pedophiles. Laughing

How can we honestly take this article seriously when it blames victims for the crimes?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Reggie, saying poverty is the cause of higher crime is just a theory and not questioning the article's conclusions? Street Magic didn't seem to be supporting the article whatsoever.
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Street Magic



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reggie wrote:
Street Magic wrote:
Come on, keep your argument with Fox in the Israel thread. You know you dug this thread up just to complain about him, which is pretty weak.


What is lame is, instead of questioning the obviously racist article and its conclusions, you've come up with theories to try to support the racist propaganda spewed by the article's author.


What?

Street Magic wrote:
You don't see too many financially secure suburban Blacks or Hispanics involved in violent crime. Any correlation of minorities with crime can be pretty well explained by the correlation of sub-par wages and living conditions with crime.


You seriously can't even tell who's arguing that minorities are prone to crime and who's arguing that the article is bunk?

I was doing the second thing by the way, since I apparently have to spell that out for you.

As a former criminology major, I can tell you that the disproportionate representation of certain ethnic minorities in certain crimes in US Bureau of Justice statistics is a pretty well known, mainstream issue. No one in his or her right mind would argue against that. The area where there's room for argument is the question of why minorities are overrepresented in violent crimes statistics. The answer I went through so much trouble to support was that, given the well known correlation between poverty and crime (once again, you really don't see well off suburban kids, minority or otherwise, involved in inner city style gang wars) and the well known disproportionate representation of minorities in poverty statistics, the association between minorities and crime can be more sensibly explained as an issue of minorities being systematically underprivileged and placed in already high crime environments.

This is why you should leave this thread alone. I would like to see a reasonable argument in the Israel thread justifying all the anti-Israel sentiments on this board, but it'll be hard to take whatever you write seriously knowing that you couldn't even figure out who was arguing what in this thread. If it turns out Fox is somehow misguided in his position on that overall dispute, I might never get to see the truth since he's so much better than you at staying on topic, keeping things impersonal, and not jumping to comically off base conclusions in his issue specific exchanges. As a public service to the point you're trying to make in the Israel thread, you should really spend a little more time making sure you know what you're talking about before you submit your posts, particularly since you feel the need to try to tie the topic of that thread into an ostensibly unrelated thread I've actually taken the time to actively participate in.

Reggie wrote:
How can we honestly take this article seriously when it blames victims for the crimes?


The Bureau of Justice Statistics site is made up of mostly victimization rates. They even have a section titled Victims and Offenders about what kind of offenders you can statistically expect were involved in any given variety of victimization stats.

This is so annoying because you don't even understand the issue enough yet to be properly wrong.
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